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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 06 December 2016
JRPGfan said:
Captain_Yuri said:

And how do you know it can when the more powerful x1 cant run most games at 1080p. Unless you mean that its not universal and only some games will run at 1080p.

Think he means Nintendo games, will most likely run 1080p when docked, and 720p when not.

You really shouldnt assume 3rd party multiplat games, when docked are able to hit 1080p, because its weaker than a Xbox One.

If thats what he means, then I agree which is what I implied with my original comment.



                  

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Miyamotoo on 06 December 2016
Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

Basically this, games running at 1080p but they are downscaled to 720p just in tablet mode because 720p screen and battery life.

You should use run at 720p or rendered at 720p, instead of downscaled.

Downscaled is equivelent to supersampling, meaning the game would still be rendered at 1080p and would use just as much performance and battery.

But I understand what you mean. :P

OK, then render to 720p because there no need for higher render in portable mode. :)

 

Captain_Yuri said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually it doesn't need to make boost performance from 720p to 1080p, Switch can native run games at 1080p but downscaling to 720p in handheld mode with lower clocs and less power required, but in dock mode running 1080p native at full clock without problem with power supply.

Maybe we could have one fan in Switch itself but I doubt, certainly will not be two fans in Switch itself.

And how do you know it can when the more powerful x1 cant run most games at 1080p. Unless you mean that its not universal and only some games will run at 1080p.

I am pretty sure that almost all Nintendo games will run at 1080p, I dont think that will be case for XB1/PS4 ports.



bonzobanana on 06 December 2016

I'm expecting portable and docked performance to be significantly different. Maybe something like 0.9ghz cpu speed when portable but somewhere around 1.6-2ghz when docked with the equivalent ratio for the gpu speed. If the tablet does have a 720p screen and tv output is 1080p. I think Nintendo will control performance perfectly so that whatever game runs at 720p on the tablet in portable mode can be run perfectly at 1080p possibly anti-aliased on the tv screen.The cpu and gpu speed ratios may actually change based on what is required for docked and portable performance. I.e. the cpu's boost by a smaller margin than the gpu when docked as only minimal additional cpu power is required to run a game at 1080p most of the additional work is required by the gpu. The same cpu processes are needed for the same game whether docked or portable.





JRPGfan on 06 December 2016
bonzobanana said:
I'm expecting portable and docked performance to be significantly different. Maybe something like 0.9ghz cpu speed when portable but somewhere around 1.6-2ghz when docked with the equivalent ratio for the gpu speed. If the tablet does have a 720p screen and tv output is 1080p. I think Nintendo will control performance perfectly so that whatever game runs at 720p on the tablet in portable mode can be run perfectly at 1080p possibly anti-aliased on the tv screen.The cpu and gpu speed ratios may actually change based on what is required for docked and portable performance. I.e. the cpu's boost by a smaller margin than the gpu when docked as only minimal additional cpu power is required to run a game at 1080p most of the additional work is required by the gpu. The same cpu processes are needed for the same game whether docked or portable.

Quality controll, and getting stable frame rates is gonna be a huge pain in the arse when makeing games for the Switch though.

You ll need to make sure the game runs well both as a portable and when docked.

Stuff like that might effect 3rd party rates... I hope the switch sells well.

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Nintendo just need to grow its user base early with the switch, and the games will come.



FunFan on 06 December 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
JRPGfan said:

Think he means Nintendo games, will most likely run 1080p when docked, and 720p when not.

You really shouldnt assume 3rd party multiplat games, when docked are able to hit 1080p, because its weaker than a Xbox One.

If thats what he means, then I agree which is what I implied with my original comment.

Well, a lot of XBone games run at 900p, anyway.



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jonathanalis on 06 December 2016

completly expected.

If the clock increase can run an extra good AA, im fine.



JEMC on 06 December 2016
Barkley said:
JEMC said:
Like Yuri, I'm skeptical about the claim that the dock will allow the games to be run at 1080p. 1080p has more than twice the pixels of 720p, way to much for a simple increase in the speed of the Switch processor.

It's not so much a power issue as a display issue. No matter how demanding the game the Handheld can only ever display at 720p (the display resolution of the screen). So it doesn't matter if the dock literally does nothing in terms of power, it still makes running the games at 1080p possible.

Like you I don't think the power difference when docked will be significant enough to make a game that barely runs at 720p on handheld suddenly run at 1080p fine when docked. The difference in resolution will mostly be simply because the Switch's own screen is only 720p.

The rumored hardware specs make that very unlikely... at least for non Nintendo games.

Miyamotoo said:
JEMC said:
Like Yuri, I'm skeptical about the claim that the dock will allow the games to be run at 1080p. 1080p has more than twice the pixels of 720p, way to much for a simple increase in the speed of the Switch processor.

It makes more sense that the game is upscaled to FullHD and the increased power that the dock could bring is used to add some extra effects and/or better AA to improve the image quality on the TV.

In any case, we'll know for sure in about a month (I hope!).

Actually most sense makes that games running at 1080p but they are downscaled to 720p just in tablet mode.

That doesn't make sense at all.

Running at 1080p is more demanding than doing it at 720p, and uses more power. For a portable device it makes a lot more sense to run at the native resolution of the display to improve battery life.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 06 December 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Captain_Yuri said:

And how do you know it can when the more powerful x1 cant run most games at 1080p. Unless you mean that its not universal and only some games will run at 1080p.

I am pretty sure that almost all Nintendo games will run at 1080p, I dont think that will be case for XB1/PS4 ports.

Well yea, I can see that hence what I said in my first post... If it's not universal and only limited to Nintendo games, then I can see it but if the rumor means universally, then I don't see it. But no where did you or the rumor specify it will be limited to Nintendo games so...



                  

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vivster on 06 December 2016

I hope this will put those silly assumptions to rest.



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vivster on 06 December 2016
JRPGfan said:
bonzobanana said:
I'm expecting portable and docked performance to be significantly different. Maybe something like 0.9ghz cpu speed when portable but somewhere around 1.6-2ghz when docked with the equivalent ratio for the gpu speed. If the tablet does have a 720p screen and tv output is 1080p. I think Nintendo will control performance perfectly so that whatever game runs at 720p on the tablet in portable mode can be run perfectly at 1080p possibly anti-aliased on the tv screen.The cpu and gpu speed ratios may actually change based on what is required for docked and portable performance. I.e. the cpu's boost by a smaller margin than the gpu when docked as only minimal additional cpu power is required to run a game at 1080p most of the additional work is required by the gpu. The same cpu processes are needed for the same game whether docked or portable.

Quality controll, and getting stable frame rates is gonna be a huge pain in the arse when makeing games for the Switch though.

You ll need to make sure the game runs well both as a portable and when docked.

Stuff like that might effect 3rd party rates... I hope the switch sells well.

"build it and they will come"

Nintendo just need to grow its user base early with the switch, and the games will come.

Devs already don't give a fuck about how a game runs on PS4 and Pro. Why would they suddenly care for the Switch?



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