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Trump re-tweets conspiracy theories and relies on outlets like the National Enquirer, Breitbart, and infowars. These outlets fabricate news or disseminate fabrications so often that even Fox News has apologized several times for picking up the stories. I don't like Clinton or Trump, but the Republican Party and their mouthpieces have been cranking out garbage for decades, working extra hard to convince Americans that everyone else (but them) are liars and that they have some super secret, special truth conduit. Watch "Outfoxed" and you will see how Fox News created the monster that is now bubble America, where Breitbart's Milo can be an avowed "troll" and celebrated for it.

The recount was initiated by Stein, and anyone who bothers to research anything ever will notice that she has raised excess funds without any stated obligation to use the proceeds for the recount. The Clinton campaign publicly stated that they saw no compelling evidence of significant fraud and that the margins were greater than any recount has covered, so they did not pursue the recount. It was computer analysts and the the Green party that kicked this whole thing off, so please read something else that hasn't been bouncing around your bubble.

Finally, there is no precedent for such a wide popular electoral gap: Trump barely won the electoral vote, and Clinton trounced him in the popular vote (despite the largest non-swing states having much lower turnout and heavily favoring Clinton). The illegal immigrant myth is exactly that: a myth (It's been debunked; you also have to register to vote in America, people.). Despite the protestations and recount, I doubt the college will vote for Turd Sandwich over Giant Douche.



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He should just make it illegal to vote against him next time round, then his statement would be 100% correct.



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Illusion said:

Can't people see how rigged this is?  The bad guys couldn't steal the election and now they are trying a back-door approach to get their way.  Why are they only recounting votes in states where Trump narrowly won?  Why not New Hampshire?

The establishment politicians and their elite donors do not like you nor do they care about you. Trump is not controlled by them and this is why the media hates him and tell you lies like: he is a racist, or he is a homophobe.  In reality, they hate you far more than Trump and they believe that elections should basically be this:


"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."—Karl Marx

The... bad guys? How old are you?!

You think Trump is a good guy?! How is such a level of naivite possible? :O

He is not controlled by them? He IS one of them! He is a corporate suit seeking to get more corporate suits a larger piece of the pie. My God! I don't even know what to say. And i'm not religious!



KLXVER said:
JRPGfan said:
Hes the next president... why does he bother with stuff like this?
You already won, dont put how you won into question. Seems silly.

Its because Hillary supports the recounts in three states. The same woman who told Trump to accept the results.

Accepting the final results of the election and wanting a recount in three very close states do not cancel eachother out.

She cautioned him that should the results be a solid victory for her, he should not call on people to go out and revolt against the results, refusing to accept the legitimacy of the election and the votes cast.

Now, he has won, but only narrowly in three states which hands him the victory in the Electoral College, with her being 2 million ahead of him in the popular vote. If this recount (Which was suggested and funded by Jill Stein btw not Clinton intially) shows that she actually won those three states, she would actually be the one the people chose to be president, by both the electoral college and popular vote.

If the recount has him winning, it means he is legitimate, and she has already conceded the victory in this senario. Should the recount show her winning, then the true results were her winning all along. I fail to see the hypocrisy from Clinton in this regard.



 

 

 

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Serious question: how do people go about voting illegally? Isn't that what the registration process is supposed to prevent? I'm sure it's possible, but I want to know his explanation for how it's happening.



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Nem said:
Illusion said:

Can't people see how rigged this is?  The bad guys couldn't steal the election and now they are trying a back-door approach to get their way.  Why are they only recounting votes in states where Trump narrowly won?  Why not New Hampshire?

The establishment politicians and their elite donors do not like you nor do they care about you. Trump is not controlled by them and this is why the media hates him and tell you lies like: he is a racist, or he is a homophobe.  In reality, they hate you far more than Trump and they believe that elections should basically be this:


"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."—Karl Marx

The... bad guys? How old are you?!

You think Trump is a good guy?! How is such a level of naivite possible? :O

He is not controlled by them? He IS one of them! He is a corporate suit seeking to get more corporate suits a larger piece of the pie. My God! I don't even know what to say. And i'm not religious!

Yes, please enlighten us on how the man who self-financed 56 million dollars of his campaign is more beholden to the corporate suits than the woman who was funded by billionaires, banks, Wall Street, and media conglomerates, all of whom slandered Trump at every turn. Trump certainly wants to give those people a larger piece of the pie.



StarDoor said:
Nem said:

The... bad guys? How old are you?!

You think Trump is a good guy?! How is such a level of naivite possible? :O

He is not controlled by them? He IS one of them! He is a corporate suit seeking to get more corporate suits a larger piece of the pie. My God! I don't even know what to say. And i'm not religious!

Yes, please enlighten us on how the man who self-financed 56 million dollars of his campaign is more beholden to the corporate suits than the woman who was funded by billionaires, banks, Wall Street, and media conglomerates, all of whom slandered Trump at every turn. Trump certainly wants to give those people a larger piece of the pie.

Without going into how Trump loaned (not donated and instead overchardged for services) to his own campaign, maybe you should look into his investors. Clinton was broadsided for Ukrainian donations, from a man who donated to the Trump Foundation... I find it humorous that people are unwilling to do any amount of research to see that A) Trump is worth a lot less than he's claimed and B) He's in bed with the Russians, REITs, and the big banks. Talking points are fun, but knowing how the NY and global RE industries work is actually meaningful.



Nem said:

 

The... bad guys? How old are you?!

You think Trump is a good guy?! How is such a level of naivite possible? :O

He is not controlled by them? He IS one of them! He is a corporate suit seeking to get more corporate suits a larger piece of the pie. My God! I don't even know what to say. And i'm not religious!

We have Wikileaks, project Veritas, Podesta emails and this is just to start with.  Clinton literally accepted 10's of millions of dollars from the Saudi Regime who is one of the strongest global supporters of ISIS.  Is it any coincidence that she so against Russia cleaning up the mess in the middle east?

Proof that the DNC was trying to steal the election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY&t=171s

Of course, I am sure that the left will just write all of this off as "fake news" or "conspiracy theories."  My question to you is: why do you trust mainstream media outlets like CNN, MSNBC, etc... when 90% of the US print and TV media are owned and controlled by the exact same elites who were top donors to Clinton's campaign?  How do you know that you aren't the one who is believing lies and propaganda to protect those at the top?

I maintain my position that these are "bad guys" who likely belong in prison.  For me, the jury is out on Trump but at least he is talking about going after these people, which more than I've heard from any politician in the last 30 years.



Insidb said:

Without going into how Trump loaned (not donated and instead overchardged for services) to his own campaign, maybe you should look into his investors. Clinton was broadsided for Ukrainian donations, from a man who donated to the Trump Foundation... I find it humorous that people are unwilling to do any amount of research to see that A) Trump is worth a lot less than he's claimed and B) He's in bed with the Russians, REITs, and the big banks. Talking points are fun, but knowing how the NY and global RE industries work is actually meaningful.

This really has nothing to do with the argument. The facts are that Trump raised far less money than Hillary throughout the campaign, and that the financial industry (the most stereotypical "big business" and "corporate suit" industry) vastly favored Hillary over Trump. Claiming that Trump, not Hillary, represented the corporate suits is ridiculous.

Also, if you want to bring up foreign contributions, what about the Clinton Foundation receiving millions of dollars from foreign governments while Hillary was Secretary of State? No matter how you look at it, Hillary was far more of a puppet than Trump could ever be.



Illusion said:

We have Wikileaks, project Veritas, Podesta emails and this is just to start with.  Clinton's top donor, George Soros has basically gone on record stating that he was a Nazi collaborator:

https://youtu.be/p8Ux5b6YM9A?t=8m1s

Proof that the DNC was trying to steal the election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY&t=171s

Of course, I am sure that the left will just write all of this off as "fake news" or "conspiracy theories."  My question to you is: why do you trust mainstream media outlets like CNN, MSNBC, etc... when 90% of the US print and TV media are owned and controlled by the exact same elites who were top donors to Clinton's campaign?  How do you know that you aren't the one who is believing lies and propaganda to protect those at the top?

I maintain my position that these are "bad guys" who likely belong in prison.  For me, the jury is out on Trump but at least he is talking about going after these people, which more than I've heard from any politician in the last 30 years.

1) Soros is shrouded in conspiracy and, like grandaddy Bush, should probably be punished for war crimes (but financiers always skate).

2) Project Veritas was spearheded by the infamous James O'Keefe of ACORN fame: he destroyed that organization, before he was outed for editing, doctoring, and fabricating his "evidence." By the time ACORN was cleared, the damage was irreparable.

3) The MSM (excluding the News Corp.) is biased, but that doesn't mean that they are fabricating news. I trust them to report, but not to be my moral compass. When they have documented sources, I can lean on those sources for data, knowing their perspective wil be left-leaning.

4) Trump supported all of these people and initiatives, previously: Obamacare, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, the impeachmeant of Baby Bush, etc. They are the same group of elites.

5) Trump has backpedaled on prosecuting Clinton and welcomed Lyin' Ted, weak Romney, et. al. back into the fold. He's about as trustworthy as the lot of them.