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the_dark_lewd said:
FunFan said:

Isn't that kind of the same thing people said when he decided run two years ago.

Wasn't supposed to imply that that necessarily counted against him. In the social media era, I think it probably helps him. It turns his most extreme detractors into constantly outraged idiots because he gives them constant ammunition that does almost nothing to hurt him.

😕 Talk about misinterpretation. Sorry dude, I get what you meant now. (and agree) Peace



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Eight beautfiful years.



                
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He will make America great again and will bring peace to the world



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I think anyone who is president hopes for 2 terms...



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I really suspect that Trump will be fairly average president. The man has been in 3 parties the last thirty years and seems to simply be a pragmatist without any strong ties to party politics.

Granted, people will be reporting on this for some time as if the apocalypse is a mere day away, but I suspect he will be fairly conventional as far as presidents go... lord knows most of what he said was just rabble rousing populist speak.



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Soundwave said:
Egelo said:

 

Berie would have lost, hes to much a socialist for any one but brainwashed collage kids to vote for him.

Biden who in the hell knows.  He was not even in a primary, saying hed do well is no different thinking then all those that had Bush as a shoe in till Trump anahilated him.  

Time change, historuically blue states might be red for a long time.  Peopel are since of PC BS, facts being racist and the mentally ill extremist left.  They just want a job and ability to pay bills not fairy tale diversity utopias and whatever otehr bs the left is peddling.  

I take it English is not your first language. 

Bernie Sanders is actually the only credible candidate who will do anything for the working class. Trump is a phony who picked up on the populist rhetoric because he's a salesman. That's what he does. He tells people what they want to hear to close the deal. His cabinet appointments already betray that. 

Trump is the most unpopular president to be elected in modern history, he lost the popular vote by 2 million and he turned the Rust Belt sure, but the margin was a razor thin one, those areas are pro-union, lets see how they react once they realize a lot of what Trump shovelled was bullshit. 

"Fact is" actually I think most Americans agree on many key issues. Notably:

1.) The ultra rich should pay more taxes. 

2.) There should be tighter immigration, but there should be amnesty for immigrants already here. Get them legal and paying tax. People don't want families ripped apart. 

3.) Let gays marry.

4.) Let those who want to smoke pot, smoke pot. Tax it. The "war on drugs" is a colossal failure. 

5.) Americans want universal, single payer health care. Health care is a right, not a privelege. 

6.) Abortion is regrettable, but should be legal.

7.) Vast majority of Americans support tighter gun control and background checks on people purchasing fire arms. 

8.) Most Americans support raising the minimum wage.

 

These are issues that have majority backing in the US. The conservatives are the ones on the losing side of every one of these, a Trump presidency doesn't change that, it only delays certain things for 4-8 years. 

Wow, you really look at the world through those socialist glasses.

Sanders would not have had a chance whatsoever. He's a freaking communist.

1. Yes, the majority thinks the ultra rich should pay more taxes, but there's roughly a majority of the population that strongly feels that the government should not overtax the hardworking American middle class.

2. No. The majority thinks that immigration is out of control. The majority wants that the nation gains control of its borders immediately. Also, the vast majority of white people think that immigration to the USA has been far to big in the last few decades and they think that immigration is about to change the nature of American society for the worse for a long time. The majority want to control

3. Let gays marry but keep the ceremony separate from religious marriage. You might not think it's a big deal but the majority of the population does. Also, many people feel that there's sort of a "gay lobby" that has gained too much strength in recent years. People aren't against gay rights, they are against the overexaggeration and the narrative that homosexuals are this very discriminated and suffering group (which is not true in modern society).

4. Legalize Cannabis, yes perhaps, but it's not so simple. The vast majority of the population are still extremely sceptical of drugs and want to keep strict government control in general. (as a comparison, legalizing Cannabis in Sweden is a non-issue because there's a compact majority of both the people and the politicans who are against all drugs).

5. Perhaps this is true. I'm not well informed on this issue.

6. Legal yes. But isn't abortion legal in the US and has been since the 70's? So the relevant issue to discuss in politics right now is regulation. And the majority of people feel that abortion is allowed too easily today, and they certainly don't like that Hillary and others support abortion during the whole freaking pregnancy. Abortion of 6-8 months old fetuses?  That's a huge no no. The vast majority of people do not support that.

7. Yes, stricter control of guns, but a large part of the population feels that the principle of gun ownership is an extremely important issue, and they're very sensitive to all policies who potentially threaten that principle. If an issue is very important for 1/4th of the population, while the majority are undecided or mildly in opposition, that can decide the issue in the minority's favor.

8. Again I'm not well informed. But is Trump strongly against raising minimum wage then?



He'll be lucky if he makes it through one.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

I take it English is not your first language. 

Bernie Sanders is actually the only credible candidate who will do anything for the working class. Trump is a phony who picked up on the populist rhetoric because he's a salesman. That's what he does. He tells people what they want to hear to close the deal. His cabinet appointments already betray that. 

Trump is the most unpopular president to be elected in modern history, he lost the popular vote by 2 million and he turned the Rust Belt sure, but the margin was a razor thin one, those areas are pro-union, lets see how they react once they realize a lot of what Trump shovelled was bullshit. 

"Fact is" actually I think most Americans agree on many key issues. Notably:

1.) The ultra rich should pay more taxes. 

2.) There should be tighter immigration, but there should be amnesty for immigrants already here. Get them legal and paying tax. People don't want families ripped apart. 

3.) Let gays marry.

4.) Let those who want to smoke pot, smoke pot. Tax it. The "war on drugs" is a colossal failure. 

5.) Americans want universal, single payer health care. Health care is a right, not a privelege. 

6.) Abortion is regrettable, but should be legal.

7.) Vast majority of Americans support tighter gun control and background checks on people purchasing fire arms. 

8.) Most Americans support raising the minimum wage.

 

These are issues that have majority backing in the US. The conservatives are the ones on the losing side of every one of these, a Trump presidency doesn't change that, it only delays certain things for 4-8 years. 

Wow, you really look at the world through those socialist glasses.

Sanders would not have had a chance whatsoever. He's a freaking communist.

1. Yes, the majority thinks the ultra rich should pay more taxes, but there's roughly a majority of the population that strongly feels that the government should not overtax the hardworking American middle class.

2. No. The majority thinks that immigration is out of control. The majority wants that the nation gains control of its borders immediately. Also, the vast majority of white people think that immigration to the USA has been far to big in the last few decades and they think that immigration is about to change the nature of American society for the worse for a long time. The majority want to control

3. Let gays marry but keep the ceremony separate from religious marriage. You might not think it's a big deal but the majority of the population does. Also, many people feel that there's sort of a "gay lobby" that has gained too much strength in recent years. People aren't against gay rights, they are against the overexaggeration and the narrative that homosexuals are this very discriminated and suffering group (which is not true in modern society).

4. Legalize Cannabis, yes perhaps, but it's not so simple. The vast majority of the population are still extremely sceptical of drugs and want to keep strict government control in general. (as a comparison, legalizing Cannabis in Sweden is a non-issue because there's a compact majority of both the people and the politicans who are against all drugs).

5. Perhaps this is true. I'm not well informed on this issue.

6. Legal yes. But isn't abortion legal in the US and has been since the 70's? So the relevant issue to discuss in politics right now is regulation. And the majority of people feel that abortion is allowed too easily today, and they certainly don't like that Hillary and others support abortion during the whole freaking pregnancy. Abortion of 6-8 months old fetuses?  That's a huge no no. The vast majority of people do not support that.

7. Yes, stricter control of guns, but a large part of the population feels that the principle of gun ownership is an extremely important issue, and they're very sensitive to all policies who potentially threaten that principle. If an issue is very important for 1/4th of the population, while the majority are undecided or mildly in opposition, that can decide the issue in the minority's favor.

8. Again I'm not well informed. But is Trump strongly against raising minimum wage then?

Sanders, Biden, or Obama all would've beaten Trump. This is a guy who lost the popular vote by 2 million, the only reason he won is by razor thin margins in three states Democrats have won the last 3-4 election cycles and that was because Clinton had serious baggage in those states (tied to NAFTA, personality of a chalkboard). 

He is the most unpopular elected president in US history, no one has ever lost the popular vote by that much and still been able to win a presidency. In general Republicans have lost 6 of the last 7 elections by popular vote. Hilary Clinton wasn't a great candidate at stirring enthusiasm, she is poor at giving speeches and poor at campaigning. 

On the points you can call them "socialist" but those points stand IMO, the majority of Americans favor all 8 of those, and "but they'll tax the middle class" is the classic con job. There isn't much revenue in taxing middle class people, so yes or no, should ultra wealthy and huge corporations pay more tax? This is unanimously a yes. Companies and rich people get away with it by spinning it into "they might tax you hard wurkin Muricans!", lol, because they know the numbers don't favor them on this issue at all.

Also keep the ceremoney "seperate" from a relgious cermoney? I don't think most Americans really give a shit honestly about that. If gay people want to be married in whatever ceremony they want that's their business. 



Shadow1980 said:
Ouroboros24 said:
I'm not for or against Trump. What I want is for him to succeed. Not for the sake of Trump, but because it benefits a lot of people if he does. The only way he has another term is if he's successful. Just, give the bastard the chance to fail. Or the chance to succeed.

"Benefits a lot of people"... whose annual income is seven figures or higher. Also, I guess if you own an arsenal of firearms you can relax your sphincter for the first time since 2008.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Also, why should I give that narcissistic, egomaniacal demagogue a chance? A man who panders to racist white nationalists. A man who is a proxy for the millionaire & billionaire class and wants to gut every regulatory agency, slash taxes for the rich, and privatize everything he can. A man who denies science. A man who picked as his running mate another man who believes in reparative therapy for homosexuals. A man who picked the former head of Breitbart as his chief strategist and senior counselor. A man who's Supreme Court picks could potentially result in an overturn of Roe and Obergefell and uphold Citizens United for another generation. A man who denied the very citizenship of our still-current president. A man whose strongest supporters were people like this:


You really think I should give Trump and his minions a chance? Bullshit on that. I might have given Jeb or Kasich or Rubio a chance as they still bear some semblance to sane human beings. I might not particularly like them, and I'd be buckling up for a repeat of Dubya's earlier years, but that wouldn't suck nearly as much as how bad things could potentially get over the coming years. America The Electoral College has put in place a complete lunatic for commander-in-chief and head of the executive branch. Trump better hope he doesn't get his way, because if he does, and we still have a country by 2020, he's going to be a one-term president.

Simple.  Because of the office he holds.  You don't have to like him, but let him do his job first.  He did and said shit in the past, but the future is up in the air.  I get you're angry, don't know why really, but you can't take your ball and run home just because the points aren't on your favor.  Let the die roll and then crucify him if he's terrible. 



Ouroboros24 said:
Shadow1980 said:

"Benefits a lot of people"... whose annual income is seven figures or higher. Also, I guess if you own an arsenal of firearms you can relax your sphincter for the first time since 2008.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Also, why should I give that narcissistic, egomaniacal demagogue a chance? A man who panders to racist white nationalists. A man who is a proxy for the millionaire & billionaire class and wants to gut every regulatory agency, slash taxes for the rich, and privatize everything he can. A man who denies science. A man who picked as his running mate another man who believes in reparative therapy for homosexuals. A man who picked the former head of Breitbart as his chief strategist and senior counselor. A man who's Supreme Court picks could potentially result in an overturn of Roe and Obergefell and uphold Citizens United for another generation. A man who denied the very citizenship of our still-current president. A man whose strongest supporters were people like this:


You really think I should give Trump and his minions a chance? Bullshit on that. I might have given Jeb or Kasich or Rubio a chance as they still bear some semblance to sane human beings. I might not particularly like them, and I'd be buckling up for a repeat of Dubya's earlier years, but that wouldn't suck nearly as much as how bad things could potentially get over the coming years. America The Electoral College has put in place a complete lunatic for commander-in-chief and head of the executive branch. Trump better hope he doesn't get his way, because if he does, and we still have a country by 2020, he's going to be a one-term president.

Simple.  Because of the office he holds.  You don't have to like him, but let him do his job first.  He did and said shit in the past, but the future is up in the air.  I get you're angry, don't know why really, but you can't take your ball and run home just because the points aren't on your favor.  Let the die roll and then crucify him if he's terrible. 

Nope that isn't how a free society works. 

The president isn't entitled to be popular and what you say on the campaign trail has consequences. He willingly chose to run a campaign based on explosive rhetoric and constroversial statements, he does not now get a "clean slate" or free pass. People have the right to resist said policies and protest if they want. If a politican on the left ran on equally divisive/extremist statements (like for example saying "we're going to confiscate guns on day 1") I would expect massive resistance and protest from people on the right. 

If he wants the respect of his electorate he can go earn it. Not citizen is obligated to "give a politican a chance" when politican is pledging policy that is offensive to said citizen.