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fleischr said:
53 percent of white women voted for Trump. And the question is... how the hell did that happen? Without a doubt, women knew of Trump's sexist and misogynistic tendencies, but why wasn't that a deal breaker?

The truth is, it would have been had Democrats not pandered to women on that fact. The left has got so caught up with character assassination that people are just fed up with it. You've cried wolf on racism, sexism, homophobia, etc so much that people don't care to listen to you - especially when you do very little on substantive details of what your policies really stand for.

The Clinton campaign tried to win by focusing exclusively on Trumps negatives. People just don't tolerate that behavior anymore. There's more to it than showing the bad in the other side, you have to make a compelling, specific case on why your policies are best for people independent of whether your rival is a sinner or a saint.

Hillary's last ad (her ad basically retells you what you just heard on the news about Trump)

 

Trump's last ad (he literally ripped off Sanders' lines )


 
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No wonder she lost -.-



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It depends how a Trump presidency goes on whether they win in 4 years. But one thing is certain, the gap between what is considered "left" and "right" in America is going to widen. The center-left and center-right in America is dead.



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They could also get a Liberal version of Trump, someone who simply is successful in an area besides politics.



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I want to give input but unsure of how VGC tolerates politics. Was just banned on GAF for not tolerating a "you can't be racist against white people" mindset and dealing with constant attacks, despite fighting for Bernie and Hillary for the last 18 months and losing real world friends due to it. It's actually the first time I've ever been banned from a forum.

I feel so conflicted right now.



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Euphoria14 said:

I want to give input but unsure of how VGC tolerates politics. Was just banned on GAF for not tolerating a "you can't be racist against white people" mindset and dealing with constant attacks, despite fighting for Bernie and Hillary for the last 18 months and losing real world friends due to it. It's actually the first time I've ever been banned from a forum.

I feel so conflicted right now.

You can be racist against any race! Regardless of how common or uncommon it is! :)

Hope that helps you feel less alone, just don't want to steer the convo in the wrong direction.



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Euphoria14 said:

I want to give input but unsure of how VGC tolerates politics. Was just banned on GAF for not tolerating a "you can't be racist against white people" mindset and dealing with constant attacks, despite fighting for Bernie and Hillary for the last 18 months and losing real world friends due to it. It's actually the first time I've ever been banned from a forum.

I feel so conflicted right now.

GAF is still pushing that mindset? You'd think that GAF would self-reflect and stop being a hivemind, but instead the people there double down.



Aura7541 said:
Euphoria14 said:

I want to give input but unsure of how VGC tolerates politics. Was just banned on GAF for not tolerating a "you can't be racist against white people" mindset and dealing with constant attacks, despite fighting for Bernie and Hillary for the last 18 months and losing real world friends due to it. It's actually the first time I've ever been banned from a forum.

I feel so conflicted right now.

GAF is still pushing that mindset? You'd think that GAF would self-reflect and stop being a hivemind, but instead the people there double down.

Didn't think I would be, but I'm very upset with what happened today.

 

I was a big, and I mean BIG Bernie guy. I've argued at work, at home, you name it. I've grown up in mainly minority neighborhoods and even to this day feel more at ease with minorities than I do whites, and I am white.

 

Ive rallied, ive argued, ive lost friends and coworkers from this election doing what I felt was right. All of this recorded on GAF.

 

Even still I was ganged up on after a ban. I was attacked while supporting Bernie. I just cannot understand. I don't know how to think politically these days.

 

Best way to put it? On election night I saw people banned, yet a post stating "fuck white people" outlasted them all.



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1.) Fill the democratic party with progressives.
2.) Start elliminating money (legal bribes) from your politics. Especially the presidential campaign.
3.) If the pathetic losers who lost to the most unqualified candidate ever are not on board, get the f**k out the way.



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Miguel_Zorro said:
Trump will be the oldest first term president ever elected at age 70. Sanders will be 79 when the next election rolls around. He'll likely be too old to run, but who knows.

1. Pick an exciting candidate. Somebody who believes in what they're saying and comes across that way.

2. Run on actual issues. The "I'm With Her" slogan implied that we should vote for the candidate simply because she's a woman. The campaign kept coming back to that. If you run a campaign as a personality contest, the person with the bigger personality will win every time - Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Barack Obama, Trump. Like them or hate them, the more charismatic candidate always won. If you're not the most charismatic, you need to run a different kind of campaign.

3. Campaign hard for reform. Make getting big money out of politics a major platform blank. Make reforming the electoral college another. Be careful with the second item, because the swing states currently have disproportionate clout and they won't want to lose that.

4. Talk about ideas, every day. Talk about what you're actually going to do. Be specific.

Trump was neither charismatic nor specific. He was the furthest thing from specific. But overall I agree with your points.

I wrote that in a hurry.  I think a candidate needs to be charismatic or specific.  I also think many people were drawn to Trump because they find him charismatic.  I think he's incredibly charismatic.  That's not a commentary on whether I like or dislike him.



LurkerJ said:

Illegal immigrants don't just compete for jobs and lower the minimum wage, they benefit from welfare, they have kids and these kids go to free schools and that costs America, and they don't pay tax (Except for sales tax?), and some even take English classes to integrate. I don't see how this helps the working class.

This in and of itself is a controversial topic, but the position for undocumented/illegal immigrants being beneficial is that they perform jobs for extremely low wages; in some cases, less than $2.00 an hour. Many of these are jobs in agriculture by farms that already have some difficulty making profits. The argument is essentially that, without illegal immigration, those jobs would have to be replaced by Americans, which would drive a number of farms out of business and cause the prices of food to spike.

I don't have a definitive position on it myself, but the argument is there to be made that whatever drain on welfare is made up for by supporting the agriculture industry and keeping food prices down. Admittedly, you have to walk an extremely thin tightrope to avoid sounding like you're actively condoning below minimum wage pay, but Clinton didn't even try to defend the "it's not bad for the economy" position.