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No matter how good or bad a product or its content is:
- some people will attack it
- other people will defend it
- a few people will even defend it in advance just in case someone will attack it
- most people won't care about these quarrels between fans and haters



True, but we all already know that, what can we do? Better get used to it.



Goodnightmoon said:
True, but we all already know that, what can we do? Better get used to it.

Or you can not let randoms on the internet piss you off lol. 



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Conina said:
No matter how good or bad a product or its content is:
- some people will attack it
- other people will defend it
- a few people will even defend it in advance just in case someone will attack it
- most people won't care about these quarrels between fans and haters

NO! NINTENDO IS SPECIAL!



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Cerebralbore101 said:
DonFerrari said:

Perhaps you should include that it would be to you. Because customers of X1 and PS4 seems pretty satisfied with the games the have. And considering the speed of sales of PS4 and SW sales of both platforms they seem to be buying much more than 3DS and Wii U... so who should be in shame?

Yeah, that brings to light a serious problem for Nintendo. Most people don't know about or don't care for the vast majority of quality Nintendo titles. Your average consumer just wants to play a few FPS or some sports games or whatnot. But then again the 3DS easily outsells the XB1 every week. So maybe not everyone is so ill informed. 

What is SW sales?

Also, didn't mean to imply that PS4 doesn't have any games. TBH, the PS4 is an amazing system with a treasure trove of games. It is quickly outpacing the PS3 library. 

Most people have different taste than you... I can't be satisfied playing FPS and sport tiles or even sandbox games. But those are the best sellers... are that ill information, dumb choices or different tastes? I would bet on the later one.

Yes you did, you said very explicitly that WiiU+3DS would put PS4 library to shame, if you think it's a amazing system with great sw it wouldn't be put to shame, it would only be surpassed (and that would be for your taste. Because for anyone that likes FPS and a lot of other genres the library would still be lackluster).

SW sales é sales of software, games... considering the amount of HW sold, X1 sells SW a lot better than 3DS or WiiU. So who have the customer perception of better system or games?

fleischr said:
DonFerrari said:

Well, if NX versions of multiplats starts to routinely outsell their competitors counterparts them you can say you are right, but you are basing that on wishfull thinking.

EA with lack of manpower to release ports of their sports games to NX when people here claim its easy to port and have similar architeture to PS4X1? 

My wish is for Nintendo to create the NX as system with the same technical capabilities as X1, PS4 or higher. Let's be honest here: That's not hard to do. And it's not the craziest proposition to make the NX a success.

Don't be naive about software development. Even with a good development pipeline, it takes time to train staff and do extra QA effort. And regarding EA specifically - Nintendo and EA they would have to work together on high quality middleware for the Frostbite engine that nearly everything EA makes runs on. Most of what's rumored about NX porting capability deals with Unreal Engine and the Vulkan API. The reality here is that EA has only so much time and resources to work with Nintendo to make it happen. And in year that's given us VR, PS4Pro, and the announcement of Scorpio - you can be pretty sure how EA prioritizes any extra manpower they have. It doesn't mean they're unwilling to support Nintendo - they're just not going to go full crunch mode when there's other things that serve their interest.

This is common sense- if you can't launch a platform with the biggest games from within the last month or two, it's not a good time to launch. By the time that March rolls around - FIFA, Madden, and CoD have pretty much made the mark they're gonna make - so their absence from a march launch is nbd. By moving NX out from holiday to march, they effectively given EA a whole extra year to acclimate to the NX dev environment.

Well, that is your wish. But you know that Iwata said they aren't aiming for high performance for NX, and that would be in comparison to X1 not next gen. So it will be quite possible that it won't be that strong.

You say I'm naive but seem to ignore that if there would be money to be made EA wouldn't have any trouble organizing their team to port for it. You think they have the manpower to make a game specific to Scorpio that will launch in one year but wouldn't separate manpower during the whole past year to port for NX? Either it's hard to dev for or you are just pushing a narrative.

oniyide said:
DonFerrari said:
Yep... all people that said the Wii or Wii U version of a multiplat game sold worse than on the rivals is lying. Thanks for the heads up.

dont' forget N64 and Gamecube

How could I? Sorry, I forgot that they were top achievers on 3rd party sales.



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DonFerrari said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah, that brings to light a serious problem for Nintendo. Most people don't know about or don't care for the vast majority of quality Nintendo titles. Your average consumer just wants to play a few FPS or some sports games or whatnot. But then again the 3DS easily outsells the XB1 every week. So maybe not everyone is so ill informed. 

What is SW sales?

Also, didn't mean to imply that PS4 doesn't have any games. TBH, the PS4 is an amazing system with a treasure trove of games. It is quickly outpacing the PS3 library. 

Most people have different taste than you... I can't be satisfied playing FPS and sport tiles or even sandbox games. But those are the best sellers... are that ill information, dumb choices or different tastes? I would bet on the later one.

Yes you did, you said very explicitly that WiiU+3DS would put PS4 library to shame, if you think it's a amazing system with great sw it wouldn't be put to shame, it would only be surpassed (and that would be for your taste. Because for anyone that likes FPS and a lot of other genres the library would still be lackluster).

SW sales é sales of software, games... considering the amount of HW sold, X1 sells SW a lot better than 3DS or WiiU. So who has the customer perception of better system or games?

People are too afraid to get out of their comfort zones. I remember I thought Mario was for kids until my best friend in middle school let me borrow SM64. I thought Turok 2 was better than OoT until my second playthrough of OoT. Again, I borrowed it from a friend. But yeah, sports titles, FPS, and sandbox are easy to get into and understand. I definately see what you mean. 

Put to shame means to outdo or surpass, nothing more. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/put--to--shame

XB1 software sells better per system then 3DS software? Link? 



Cerebralbore101 said:
DonFerrari said:

Most people have different taste than you... I can't be satisfied playing FPS and sport tiles or even sandbox games. But those are the best sellers... are that ill information, dumb choices or different tastes? I would bet on the later one.

Yes you did, you said very explicitly that WiiU+3DS would put PS4 library to shame, if you think it's a amazing system with great sw it wouldn't be put to shame, it would only be surpassed (and that would be for your taste. Because for anyone that likes FPS and a lot of other genres the library would still be lackluster).

SW sales é sales of software, games... considering the amount of HW sold, X1 sells SW a lot better than 3DS or WiiU. So who has the customer perception of better system or games?

People are too afraid to get out of their comfort zones. I remember I thought Mario was for kids until my best friend in middle school let me borrow SM64. I thought Turok 2 was better than OoT until my second playthrough of OoT. Again, I borrowed it from a friend. But yeah, sports titles, FPS, and sandbox are easy to get into and understand. I definately see what you mean. 

Put to shame means to outdo or surpass, nothing more. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/put--to--shame

XB1 software sells better per system then 3DS software? Link? 

I know what Put to shame means. But contextualize it isn't simply to outdo, but to very much be a lot better. But ok, I'll accept that you just meant "a little better".

Look at VGC 3DS is at 22nd with 4.19 games per console sold and X1 is at 13th with 6.23 tie ratio... it's quite normal for Handhelds to sell less sw than console and Wii got severely outsold by X360 and even PS3 on SW even when they were 30% over them in HW (tie ratio is wii 9,54 PS3 11.18 X360 11.70 and Wii had all the Wii Sports and the like counted as sales).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

There's not going to be western third party support.



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