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Does NX need to be on par with PS4 and XBone to succeed?

Yes 96 30.77%
 
No 118 37.82%
 
Yes, but... 33 10.58%
 
No, but... 65 20.83%
 
Total:312

If it is "far below base ps4" and not providing 3rd party devs with what they would want then it will fail as a home console, simple as that. How many times does history have to repeat itself for other Nintendo fans to realize that making up to date hardware and appealing to 3rd parties matter? True "the games are what matter" but having inferior hardware can push away majority of the good games makers (3rd parties). That is why people keep repeating what Rich says in that video. And the argument about "ps2 and wii were the weakest but sold the best" is not seeing the whole picture. Nes, snes, ps1, ps2, and ps4 (all home console best sellers minus the wii which was a fluke imo) were all the strongest console on the market when they released and Advanced graphics and tech were always a big selling point for them. None of them were considered "underpowered" in the slightest, in fact they would be the best on the market for at least a year then naturally the competition tried to outdo them tech wise. There is simply no denying that capable hardware matters in a consoles success as well as getting 3rd party support

But as a handheld on the otherhand? The Nx seems to be a much larger jump tech wise than any of the previous Nintendo handhelds made over their predecessors. Not that it matters, handhelds follow a whole different set of rules than what home consoles do. Nx can be a decent to well selling handheld but it simply can't regain many home console fans without having decent 3rd party support. So in the end it could sell pretty well even without 3rd part support since it is a hybrid. Btw I mean 8th gen multiplats when I mention 3rd party support



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well you bring a fair argument, your questions has been answered again and again and again.

- If NX is less powerful than ps4/xb1, the NX will be very boring. Consumers will be bored. Isn't it basically just another WiiU? Look at how the WiiU is selling. Sure, it may be a hybrid, you can play games on the go. But that's not even that appealing (at least to me).

- Less powerful it means no third party support.



Totally agree with OP, people looking at PS4/XB1 and saying if NX want to have some chances to be success need to be like them, and of course that is totally wrong, there is no room on market for 3 identical consoles, especially when one coming in middle in generation. NX needs to be different than PS4/XB1, it needs to coexist with PS4/XB1 on market not to fight against them with row power (in that case it would easily loose).



Because core gamers think they're the sun.



SonytendoAmiibo said:
KungKras said:

You say that with a straight face as if the Wii audience never existed.

It's clear which gamers Nintendo has to get back. It aint the Sony/MS audience.

You are 100% right. Nintendo is going after all the casuals that left for cellphones and tablets. And when they get Super Mario Run on their mobile devices they will be happy and HAVE LESS REASON to buy Nintendo hardware. Just look at it...

Yeah, remember when Nintendo made a mobile Pokemon game and sales of 3DS and handheld Pokemon games went down the toilet? I thought they would learn from it, but nope.



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Wyrdness said:
HintHRO said:

Nintendo didn't mean to make Wii U only for die-hard Nintendo fans, they wanted it to be a Wii 2. Nintendo die-hard fans will buy anything Nintendo brings, whatever it is. But that group is very small, which I think explains the abysmal Wii U sales. The other 140m went to smartphones or PS4/XB1. I think Nintendo needs to regain those core gamers in some other way to stay relevant in the gaming industry. Casuals are in love with their smartphones. They don't have the desire to buy another system. 

Not entirely true they wanted it to be Wii 2 but it was far from Wii 2 in approach, the casual market moved on because the U isn't geared towards them like the Wii was. I'll highlight one example of flawed thinking that most people have when trying to suggest something successful, they always mention the core, this was Nintendo's undoing when creating the U trying to appeal to this group who have been named core by modern gaming outlet's definition. The core group likely already own a Wii U.

Why I say that? The core group by modern definition are actually the smallest group in gaming they buy software more regularly and likely have more than one platform but are a small group in total, a lot of people think the core is what makes Playstation successful it's not, it's the mainstream that does, these are casual and avid gamers (the people who bought the Wii and smart phones weren't casual gamers they were new gamers, casual gamers have been around since forever), those who game on smart phones aren't even casual gamers they're spin off group from the new gamers that emerged from the blue ocean approach. The mainstream just follow what's the in thing to get and most cases stick to that platform for the gen, this is why Vita couldn't hold a candle to the 3DS as well.

On the Wii U it was never Wii 2 from the start in it's approach, it was more GC with Wii branding, an atempt to follow what people are saying to do while doing their own thing and the result is a middle of the road platfom that they didn't know how to handle resulting in it's perfomance. If the platform was actually called Wii 2 for a start that would have cleared up the confusion of the first 2 years among consumers, then actually market the platform and have a low entry point it would have attracted a lot more of the Wii market that's for sure. What keeps Nintendo relevant is them doing things their own way.

I like your mentioning of those who never played a game before. That's what really helped propel the Wii. It brought an entirely new audience to the hobby we've known that has never been explored before. My family (outside of my sibling and cousins) have never touched a game before but were interested with the Wii. Yes casuals helped, but there have always been casual gamers who buy games on occasion compared to the core gamers. The casuals are the bigger audience. Nevertheless, having seniors use the Wii at nursing homes or soccer moms buying the console to spend time with the kids. There is potential if you can entice that audience with something accessible, fun, and interesting. Yes mobile has been a key factor in the audience change so it'll be a challenge.

i think it'll be interesting see how the industry can continue to grow. There are billions of people in this world and the sales of this current gen may not show the type of growth the previous one had. The core gamers are not going to be enough for Nintendo to regain the type of profits they seek. Yes they'll buy more games, but it can only be stretched so far since I'm not sure if core gamers have increased enough to warrant such approach. That's why I'm not sure how much the PS4 Pro will significantly improve sales to an already great selling console. The causals are probably not gonna bother with a model that is $100 more with upgrades that they may not necessarily be interested in because they don't see that much of a difference. It's like the New 3DS and the regular 3DS. It's a great improvement, but if it's gonna play the same games with a slightly upgraded coat of paint, do I care to spend more to get a more graphical experience?



The NX needs to be able to appeal to a larger market than PS4 or XBOne, otherwise there isn't much of a market left for it to expand into. It should be another Wii or DS, and by that I mean it needs to be fresh and exciting to people outside of the current dwindling console market.



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Player2 said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

You are 100% right. Nintendo is going after all the casuals that left for cellphones and tablets. And when they get Super Mario Run on their mobile devices they will be happy and HAVE LESS REASON to buy Nintendo hardware. Just look at it...

Yeah, remember when Nintendo made a mobile Pokemon game and sales of 3DS and handheld Pokemon games went down the toilet? I thought they would learn from it, but nope.

Yup, some people dont realise that after Pokemon GO was released, 3DS and Pokemon games received huge boost in sales, its very obvious that is a plan with Super Mario Run and other Nintendo mobile games.



Nintendo needs to do one of 2 things. Either line up and make a real machine that can stand with the twins, or make a dirt cheap system that retails for $99 (if handheld) or $199 (if console).

If they make another Wii U with no real vision then they will be in serious trouble with gamers and developers.

I mean think about it. The Xbox One is selling for $229 right now. If Nintendo won't make a console that is at least that powerful and are trying to sell a hybrid for $250, then they already lost.



Miyamotoo said:
Player2 said:

Yeah, remember when Nintendo made a mobile Pokemon game and sales of 3DS and handheld Pokemon games went down the toilet? I thought they would learn from it, but nope.

Yup, some people dont realise that after Pokemon GO was released, 3DS and Pokemon games received huge boost in sales, its very obvious that is a plan with Super Mario Run and other Nintendo mobile games.

And they will most likely wait to reveal the NX after Super Mario Run, showing off then the new Mario NX game. So 2017 ppl.



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