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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

I know, that's why I share most of his arguments in principle. He i (and I) are on Trump's side in many issues ideologically, but Trump's implementation and persona comes in the way.

Cultural Marxism, yes sadly it's associated with the extreme right and anti-semites, but since it's an accurate term for a phenomenon I prefer it.

My definition, I'm using my own terminology and understanding for a variety of reasons. I try to understand this and discover this largely "by myself" and not copy pre-defined definitions. Also there are few good sources about Cultural Marxism, it's largely a meta-subject so to speak. By following for example feminism, SJWs, Alt-Right, immigration debate and nearly all ideological debate in modern society, but also practical reforms in state politics, you get an understanding of Cultural Marxism. So my definition is not all-encompassing or complete. And lengthy reply following here because other members have questioned my use and claims about Cultural Marxism.

Cultural Marxism is an ideological movement that largely stems as a result of post-revolutionary communism failures and the realization that socialism wouldn't be able to conquer society with physical revolution and socialism wouldn't most likely win over capitalism by following traditional methods. So socialist thinkers examinated themselves, identified and accepted some of the limitations of traditional communism and incorporated ideas from philosophy (Freudianism, critics of Westernism) and sort of created a new ideology. They entered a new field where they thought they could win, the field of knowledge and ideology, the battle of our minds. The idea was to infiltrate classical culture, academia and media step by step and conquer society by changing people's minds on a very deep level, to change the nature of humans.

It started perhaps in the 50's or the 60's and the so called Frankfurt School, I don't know. Then came the '68 student revolution and the Vietnam protests. I think that was the first public victory and I don't think it was an accident that it started in academia. But in the last 10-20 years in the West it has absolutely exploded. It permeates so many different fields nowadays and has made society increasing political. I know my own country the best, but the trend is the same all over the West. Even our foreign policy now is outspokenly feminist. Our right wing parties a little over a century ago made a huge analysis, admitted loss and came to the conslusion that they can't win elections by traditional conservatism, but they had to adapt. So they decided to simply leave the ideology debate, and instead incorporated leftist ideology in many fields just to concentrate on the money issues. Many other Western right wing parties did the same.

When the police defines a new action plan, in the past they might write the plan based on the number of crimes reported versus how many police officers are employed, but today the concerns are if the plan accounts for gender aspects, minorities, how it's communicated, what words they use. You take video games, and increasingly we have not just a debate but a general awareness of how to portray values, inequality, minorities, women - politics really. These things were just unheard of 20 years ago.

The agents who work to advance Cultural Marxism in society don't do it only consciously (and they certainly don't identify themselves in this way) but also largely unconsciously. So I don't claim there's a "huge conspiracy" behind it. The term political correctness ties into the definition of Cultural Marxism, but is too narrow of a term. And to just say "post modernism" or "post cold war socialism" is not accurate enough.

Political correctness I think is an excellent term and most people understand it well and I like how it has become popular in debate and in the mindshare. But when talking only about PC we miss a lot. We miss the historical background and the driving motivation. PC is diffuse and it sounds like people are passive and just following some "popular opinion" that magically popped out in existence from above. Cultural marxism explains that there actual people acting as the driving force behind an ideological phenomenon and explains its ideological and political identity.

Another aspect of Cultural Marxism is extremely un-pragmatic. I claim it doesn't care about the realities on the ground nearly as much as about theory. It doesn't care about people's practical suffering nearly as much as about justice in theory.

And it's totalitarian. It's so important what everyone thinks. While priding itself with words like tolerance, multicultural, open-minded, globalist etc it's actually very much an intolerant thought police (largely itself being unaware of this paradox). It's not satisfied until all minds are conquered.

But aren't all ideologies like this somebody, might ask? Of course an ideology wants to spread to as many people as possible! But actually no. There are elitistic ideologies who are reserved for a few selected (racism, fascism, Nietscheism, satanism just off the top of my head, but Iäm sure there are better examples). In religion, you have ideologies like Christianity to whom it's very important to conquer all minds and therefore is somewhat totalitarian, while religions like Buddhism are very cool about what others believe ("you take it in your own pace, your reality is yours"). In a Middle Eastern tyranny and many other dictatorships the leaders actually don't care very much what people think and believe as long as it holds on to power. So I argue it's not inherent to an ideology to want to conquer all minds. But it's a defining characteristic of CM, and it's almost hysterical about this. It hates free speech like the plague.

To me, again and again and again I get so surprised how important it is for Cultural Marxists that other people adopt their world view and understanding of things.

Okay, this was a spontaneous and somewhat random definition. Long because I don't want to be misunderstood and I want to make a real case here. There are lots more I could say and I wish I had a more "to the point" definition but this is still a wrek in progress and I guess I haven't described the complete picture even for myself yet.

Why is liberalization such a bad thing? There's no 'movement' needed for it, it's simply the natural evolution of reasoned thought. Yes we don't treat women and minorities like second/third class citizens anymore. That's a good thing. 

If the entire world was liberalized it would be a great thing (and it will be eventually, you cannot live in the 18th/19th century forever, sorry Saudi Arabia and etc.). 

Sure there is always a balance to be had and there are random nuts who go to far to the left, but by and large we live in a better society today. 

Hell, even for me in my 30s, I look at kids today and find in some cases at least they're far more enlightened about things than my generation was in high school in the late 90s. If we had an openly gay student at school, that kid would've been bullied unmercifully, probably even physically beaten up, and certainly would have next to no shot at being embraced by the school community. 

Even if you disagreed with that behavior you would shut up and not say anything because it wouldn't be popular to do so. But today I look at kids and this is much less of an issue and treating someone like that today you would encounter big push back. Which is good. 

It's as if you didn't read my post or heard much of Sam Harris on the subject. Well, actually I concentrated on defining what I understand to be Cultural Marxism and not address everything what's wrong with it.

What's wrong with liberalization you ask (you mean as in enacting liberal policies in society?).

"Yes we don't treat women and minorities like second/third class citizens anymore" if reality was that straightforward then it wouldn't be so bad.

But it's not. It's the consequences from these policies. It's the paradoxes, the hypocrisy. The injustice and unfair treatment that follows.

Some examples, and Harris touches on some of these too:

It's bad when liberals are more upset when an ethnic citizen says a racial slur than they are upset about an immigrant beating up a citizen youth.

It's bad that liberals spend so much more energy to crack down on hate speech on the internet than they do on the hate speech in our mosques.

It's bad when liberals are more concerned about how Western couples share their time spent with their children than they are concerned about members of other cultures being violent towards their partners.

It's bad when liberals create discrimination when they try to battle discrimination (like university quotas, we've tried them in Sweden too).

It's bad with the erroneous assumption that immigrants, women and LGBT-people are always the weak part and the vulnerable. It just goes so wrong.

The consequenses are severe. The left always trivializes and misrepresents, "Your privilege is taken away", as if it's only about banal, symbolic issues. No, it's real things. It's not just that tax payers have less money left in their pockets for feeding the migrant waves which you can just shrug off by thinking they are still the wealthiest people on the earth. No, there is real suffering as a consequence.

How a young individual can have his emotional life, confidence and future destroyed by being beaten up by foreigners and then have the whole adult world turn its back and accuse him of being racist and going at length to understand the perpetrator's all imagined frustrations and marginalization and then explain away the violations.

Men losing custody of their children because the family courts are so politicized that they assume the woman always tells the truth and the man is always guilty. I have a colleague who spent $60,000 Euro in court to fight for the custody of his son after a divorse and yet the outcome was that he is forbidden to meet the child (who is now almost 15). There are thousands of these testimonies in Sweden but they are immediately dismissed and written off by media and social authorities who assume they're just bitter complaining privileged white men before they even bother to hear their story (admit it, you assume it too. I do, I do it automatically because a person just cannot withstand all the years of brainwash).



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Soundwave said:

Why is liberalization such a bad thing? There's no 'movement' needed for it, it's simply the natural evolution of reasoned thought. Yes we don't treat women and minorities like second/third class citizens anymore. That's a good thing. 

If the entire world was liberalized it would be a great thing (and it will be eventually, you cannot live in the 18th/19th century forever, sorry Saudi Arabia and etc.). 

Sure there is always a balance to be had and there are random nuts who go to far to the left, but by and large we live in a better society today. 

Hell, even for me in my 30s, I look at kids today and find in some cases at least they're far more enlightened about things than my generation was in high school in the late 90s. If we had an openly gay student at school, that kid would've been bullied unmercifully, probably even physically beaten up, and certainly would have next to no shot at being embraced by the school community. 

Even if you disagreed with that behavior you would shut up and not say anything because it wouldn't be popular to do so. But today I look at kids and this is much less of an issue and treating someone like that today you would encounter big push back. Which is good. 

Cultural Marxism is not the same thing as liberalization. In fact, the ultimate goal of Cultural Marxism would destroy any sort of liberal values you support.

One of the key tenets held by the modern Left is multiculturalism, which asserts that no culture is objectively better than any other, and that is is immoral to prefer one culture over another. Global inequality is the reason why Westerners are told that they have a duty to allow millions of immigrants into their countries in the name of diversity and justice, but then they are simultaneously told that Western culture is no better than any other culture and that it would be racist to ask immigrants to assimilate into society by learning the language and following Western customs. Liberalism is included in these Western customs; logic, reason, science, and tolerance of other ideas are very Western virtues. You don't see any non-Westernized countries advocating the rights of women, LGBT, minorities, etc.

But Cultural Marxists believe that there is no difference between cultures, no difference between sexes, and no difference between races, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They've taken over debate in Western countries, and now anyone expressing such ideas is publicly ostracized. It's not rational in any sense; these accusations of racism and sexism are attempts to shut down critical analysis and debate.

Traditional liberals in the United States support the Democratic party and mass immigration, but they don't realize that their liberal goals are incompatible with such a diverse society. As a community becomes more multiracial and multicultural, social trust among the population erodes. Without social trust, support for welfare programs erodes, especially when people believe (correctly, in many cases,) that people of some races are benefitting far more from these policies than people of other races. And the majority of these recent immigrants come from countries with very 'conservative' social values: Muslims are generally even more anti-gay than white Christians. You won't get a tolerant, equal society like this; instead, you'll have a self-segregated, unequal mess with frequent riots and significant social unrest, which is exactly what we're witnessing today.

Personally, I think Western civilization has created the most functional and progressive societies in human history, greatly advancing science, liberty, and human wellbeing. I don't want to see all of it undone.



Slimebeast said:

It's as if you didn't read my post or heard much of Sam Harris on the subject. Well, actually I concentrated on defining what I understand to be Cultural Marxism and not address everything what's wrong with it.

What's wrong with liberalization you ask (you mean as in enacting liberal policies in society?).

"Yes we don't treat women and minorities like second/third class citizens anymore" if reality was that straightforward then it wouldn't be so bad.

But it's not. It's the consequences from these policies. It's the paradoxes, the hypocrisy. The injustice and unfair treatment that follows.

Some examples, and Harris touches on some of these too:

It's bad when liberals are more upset when an ethnic citizen says a racial slur than they are upset about an immigrant beating up a citizen youth.

It's bad that liberals spend so much more energy to crack down on hate speech on the internet than they do on the hate speech in our mosques.

It's bad when liberals are more concerned about how Western couples share their time spent with their children than they are concerned about members of other cultures being violent towards their partners.

It's bad when liberals create discrimination when they try to battle discrimination (like university quotas, we've tried them in Sweden too).

It's bad with the erroneous assumption that immigrants, women and LGBT-people are always the weak part and the vulnerable. It just goes so wrong.

The consequenses are severe. The left always trivializes and misrepresents, "Your privilege is taken away", as if it's only about banal, symbolic issues. No, it's real things. It's not just that tax payers have less money left in their pockets for feeding the migrant waves which you can just shrug off by thinking they are still the wealthiest people on the earth. No, there is real suffering as a consequence.

How a young individual can have his emotional life, confidence and future destroyed by being beaten up by foreigners and then have the whole adult world turn its back and accuse him of being racist and going at length to understand the perpetrator's all imagined frustrations and marginalization and then explain away the violations.

Men losing custody of their children because the family courts are so politicized that they assume the woman always tells the truth and the man is always guilty. I have a colleague who spent $60,000 Euro in court to fight for the custody of his son after a divorse and yet the outcome was that he is forbidden to meet the child. There are thousands of these testimonies in Sweden but they are immediately dismissed and written off by media and social authorities who assume they're just bitter complaining privileged white men before they even bother to hear their story (admit it, you do it too. I do, I do it automatically because you just cannot withstand all the years of brainwash).

See, that's the thing. Many "liberals" today aren't really liberal. Liberalism stands for important principles like freedom of speech, freedom of thought, gender equality, etc. When you do things like restricting speech because it will "offend" someone or establishing quotas, you are promoting anti-liberal policies. Nowadays, the left uses the term liberal as label rather than as a descriptor.



Aura7541 said:
Slimebeast said:

It's as if you didn't read my post or heard much of Sam Harris on the subject. Well, actually I concentrated on defining what I understand to be Cultural Marxism and not address everything what's wrong with it.

What's wrong with liberalization you ask (you mean as in enacting liberal policies in society?).

"Yes we don't treat women and minorities like second/third class citizens anymore" if reality was that straightforward then it wouldn't be so bad.

But it's not. It's the consequences from these policies. It's the paradoxes, the hypocrisy. The injustice and unfair treatment that follows.

Some examples, and Harris touches on some of these too:

It's bad when liberals are more upset when an ethnic citizen says a racial slur than they are upset about an immigrant beating up a citizen youth.

It's bad that liberals spend so much more energy to crack down on hate speech on the internet than they do on the hate speech in our mosques.

It's bad when liberals are more concerned about how Western couples share their time spent with their children than they are concerned about members of other cultures being violent towards their partners.

It's bad when liberals create discrimination when they try to battle discrimination (like university quotas, we've tried them in Sweden too).

It's bad with the erroneous assumption that immigrants, women and LGBT-people are always the weak part and the vulnerable. It just goes so wrong.

The consequenses are severe. The left always trivializes and misrepresents, "Your privilege is taken away", as if it's only about banal, symbolic issues. No, it's real things. It's not just that tax payers have less money left in their pockets for feeding the migrant waves which you can just shrug off by thinking they are still the wealthiest people on the earth. No, there is real suffering as a consequence.

How a young individual can have his emotional life, confidence and future destroyed by being beaten up by foreigners and then have the whole adult world turn its back and accuse him of being racist and going at length to understand the perpetrator's all imagined frustrations and marginalization and then explain away the violations.

Men losing custody of their children because the family courts are so politicized that they assume the woman always tells the truth and the man is always guilty. I have a colleague who spent $60,000 Euro in court to fight for the custody of his son after a divorse and yet the outcome was that he is forbidden to meet the child. There are thousands of these testimonies in Sweden but they are immediately dismissed and written off by media and social authorities who assume they're just bitter complaining privileged white men before they even bother to hear their story (admit it, you do it too. I do, I do it automatically because you just cannot withstand all the years of brainwash).

See, that's the thing. Many "liberals" today aren't really liberal. Liberalism stands for important principles like freedom of speech, freedom of thought, gender equality, etc. When you do things like restricting speech because it will "offend" someone or establishing quotas, you are promoting anti-liberal policies. Nowadays, the left uses the term liberal as label rather than as a descriptor.

Exactly. I was shocked when I realized how few the true liberals are.

Judging from the comments on Youtube in the comment fields to videos by Sam Harris, TheAmazingAtheist, Milo Yannopolis etc (there are many good conservative and liberal activists making videos on YT*, something I almost never see on mainstream media) I have some hope that they are on the rise though. What do you think?


* Of course I make a clear distinction between conservative and liberal ideology, but with regards to freedom of speech issues and the battle against SJW, they often use similar arguments and inter-mix, especially people in the comment fields.



StarDoor said:
Soundwave said:

Why is liberalization such a bad thing? There's no 'movement' needed for it, it's simply the natural evolution of reasoned thought. Yes we don't treat women and minorities like second/third class citizens anymore. That's a good thing. 

If the entire world was liberalized it would be a great thing (and it will be eventually, you cannot live in the 18th/19th century forever, sorry Saudi Arabia and etc.). 

Sure there is always a balance to be had and there are random nuts who go to far to the left, but by and large we live in a better society today. 

Hell, even for me in my 30s, I look at kids today and find in some cases at least they're far more enlightened about things than my generation was in high school in the late 90s. If we had an openly gay student at school, that kid would've been bullied unmercifully, probably even physically beaten up, and certainly would have next to no shot at being embraced by the school community. 

Even if you disagreed with that behavior you would shut up and not say anything because it wouldn't be popular to do so. But today I look at kids and this is much less of an issue and treating someone like that today you would encounter big push back. Which is good. 

Cultural Marxism is not the same thing as liberalization. In fact, the ultimate goal of Cultural Marxism would destroy any sort of liberal values you support.

One of the key tenets held by the modern Left is multiculturalism, which asserts that no culture is objectively better than any other, and that is is immoral to prefer one culture over another. Global inequality is the reason why Westerners are told that they have a duty to allow millions of immigrants into their countries in the name of diversity and justice, but then they are simultaneously told that Western culture is no better than any other culture and that it would be racist to ask immigrants to assimilate into society by learning the language and following Western customs. Liberalism is included in these Western customs; logic, reason, science, and tolerance of other ideas are very Western virtues. You don't see any non-Westernized countries advocating the rights of women, LGBT, minorities, etc.

But Cultural Marxists believe that there is no difference between cultures, no difference between sexes, and no difference between races, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They've taken over debate in Western countries, and now anyone expressing such ideas is publicly ostracized. It's not rational in any sense; these accusations of racism and sexism are attempts to shut down critical analysis and debate.

Traditional liberals in the United States support the Democratic party and mass immigration, but they don't realize that their liberal goals are incompatible with such a diverse society. As a community becomes more multiracial and multicultural, social trust among the population erodes. Without social trust, support for welfare programs erodes, especially when people believe (correctly, in many cases,) that people of some races are benefitting far more from these policies than people of other races. And the majority of these recent immigrants come from countries with very 'conservative' social values: Muslims are generally even more anti-gay than white Christians. You won't get a tolerant, equal society like this; instead, you'll have a self-segregated, unequal mess with frequent riots and significant social unrest, which is exactly what we're witnessing today.

Personally, I think Western civilization has created the most functional and progressive societies in human history, greatly advancing science, liberty, and human wellbeing. I don't want to see all of it undone.

Firstly, I do think people have to learn to live together. That is a liberal idea. Locking yourself in your country and saying 6/7 of the world's population has to live in poverty is morally reprehensible. 

We have a responsibility to allow a reasonable flow of immigration. Beyond that, it's needed in the first place, the only reason America is able to lead is because they import half their PhDs from India and China, otherwise it's a pretty stupid country (of developed countries, America almost always puts up mediocre eductional rankings compared to other developed countries). 

By and large MOST people are able to co-exist. Yes they are different, but even most Muslims in the West are not raving fanatics, they're just regular people. Have a conversation with one. They're not the boogeyman they're painted out to be. 

Yes, there are always going to be issues, but before the West pats itself on the back too hard for "progressive" liberal ideals like gay rights and minority rights, 20-30 years ago many in the West felt the same as the average Muslim does today. Progress takes time, it isn't done overnight. 

We cannot hide behind borders forever, the world is changed, we have access to technology and eductation and information and are tied together with a global system of capital no matter what. If this existed for humans 500 years ago, the way countries are made up would be vastly different. 

And honestly I simply don't fear some kind of "Islamist" state in the West, no one (including most Muslims here) want to live like an 18th century goat herder. 

Hyper-religiousism (if you want to call it that) will always fail in a modern society. 

Yes sure for that particular religion perhaps more thoughtful integration policies are required, but thoughtful is the operative word there. 



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Soundwave said:

Firstly, I do think people have to learn to live together. That is a liberal idea. Locking yourself in your country and saying 6/7 of the world's population has to live in poverty is morally reprehensible. 

We have a responsibility to allow a reasonable flow of immigration. Beyond that, it's needed in the first place, the only reason America is able to lead is because they import half their PhDs from India and China, otherwise it's a pretty stupid country (of developed countries, America almost always puts up mediocre eductional rankings compared to other developed countries). 

By and large MOST people are able to co-exist. Yes they are different, but even most Muslims in the West are not raving fanatics, they're just regular people. Have a conversation with one. They're not the boogeyman they're painted out to be. 

Yes, there are always going to be issues, but before the West pats itself on the back too hard for "progressive" liberal ideals like gay rights and minority rights, 20-30 years ago many in the West felt the same as the average Muslim does today. Progress takes time, it isn't done overnight. 

We cannot hide behind borders forever, the world is changed, we have access to technology and eductation and information and are tied together with a global system of capital no matter what. If this existed for humans 500 years ago, the way countries are made up would be vastly different. 

And honestly I simply don't fear some kind of "Islamist" state in the West, no one (including most Muslims here) want to live like an 18th century goat herder. 

Hyper-religiousism (if you want to call it that) will always fail in a modern society. 

Yes sure for that particular religion perhaps more thoughtful integration policies are required, but thoughtful is the operative word there. 

First of all, no, America isn't a stupid country. American whites perform on the same level as Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. The reason the US gets low average scores is because hispanics and blacks pull down the average, and Asians are too small of a group to pull the average up much.

You only justified immigration for highly-educated people from India and China. What about all the other people we let in who don't have any education and will likely end up on welfare or in jail?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say we can't hide behind borders forever. For the past 50 years we've let in tens of millions of immigrants from all across the world. Sure, progress takes time, but the more people we let in, the slower that progress will be. We need a break from having over a million immigrants enter the country per year. The ones currently here need to be integrated into American society, which won't happen if there are enough entering the country for them to form their own ethnic neighborhoods, isolated from the rest of the nation.



spurgeonryan said:
Now somebody explain who Sam Harris is.


Both are bad choices, that is why I choo choo choose the Wild card. ....trump.

He is an author, philosopher, and neuroscientist.



Bet with Adamblaziken:

I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.

Soundwave said:
StarDoor said:

Cultural Marxism is not the same thing as liberalization. In fact, the ultimate goal of Cultural Marxism would destroy any sort of liberal values you support.

One of the key tenets held by the modern Left is multiculturalism, which asserts that no culture is objectively better than any other, and that is is immoral to prefer one culture over another. Global inequality is the reason why Westerners are told that they have a duty to allow millions of immigrants into their countries in the name of diversity and justice, but then they are simultaneously told that Western culture is no better than any other culture and that it would be racist to ask immigrants to assimilate into society by learning the language and following Western customs. Liberalism is included in these Western customs; logic, reason, science, and tolerance of other ideas are very Western virtues. You don't see any non-Westernized countries advocating the rights of women, LGBT, minorities, etc.

But Cultural Marxists believe that there is no difference between cultures, no difference between sexes, and no difference between races, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They've taken over debate in Western countries, and now anyone expressing such ideas is publicly ostracized. It's not rational in any sense; these accusations of racism and sexism are attempts to shut down critical analysis and debate.

Traditional liberals in the United States support the Democratic party and mass immigration, but they don't realize that their liberal goals are incompatible with such a diverse society. As a community becomes more multiracial and multicultural, social trust among the population erodes. Without social trust, support for welfare programs erodes, especially when people believe (correctly, in many cases,) that people of some races are benefitting far more from these policies than people of other races. And the majority of these recent immigrants come from countries with very 'conservative' social values: Muslims are generally even more anti-gay than white Christians. You won't get a tolerant, equal society like this; instead, you'll have a self-segregated, unequal mess with frequent riots and significant social unrest, which is exactly what we're witnessing today.

Personally, I think Western civilization has created the most functional and progressive societies in human history, greatly advancing science, liberty, and human wellbeing. I don't want to see all of it undone.

Firstly, I do think people have to learn to live together. That is a liberal idea. Locking yourself in your country and saying 6/7 of the world's population has to live in poverty is morally reprehensible. 

We have a responsibility to allow a reasonable flow of immigration. Beyond that, it's needed in the first place, the only reason America is able to lead is because they import half their PhDs from India and China, otherwise it's a pretty stupid country (of developed countries, America almost always puts up mediocre eductional rankings compared to other developed countries). 

By and large MOST people are able to co-exist. Yes they are different, but even most Muslims in the West are not raving fanatics, they're just regular people. Have a conversation with one. They're not the boogeyman they're painted out to be. 

Yes, there are always going to be issues, but before the West pats itself on the back too hard for "progressive" liberal ideals like gay rights and minority rights, 20-30 years ago many in the West felt the same as the average Muslim does today. Progress takes time, it isn't done overnight. 

We cannot hide behind borders forever, the world is changed, we have access to technology and eductation and information and are tied together with a global system of capital no matter what. If this existed for humans 500 years ago, the way countries are made up would be vastly different. 

And honestly I simply don't fear some kind of "Islamist" state in the West, no one (including most Muslims here) want to live like an 18th century goat herder. 

Hyper-religiousism (if you want to call it that) will always fail in a modern society. 

Yes sure for that particular religion perhaps more thoughtful integration policies are required, but thoughtful is the operative word there. 

This post is a huge insult to the Western man, and you conveniently ignored my post about concrete issues.

"We cannot hide behind borders forever" takes the price. When young whites/etnical kids in both the USA and Sweden respectably have become minorities beause of decades of immigration you have the nerve to accuse us of "locking ourself in" our country lol.

You claim we have a "responsibility" to allow a reasonable flow. Responsibility for what exactly? To help those who flee from war and persecution? To also let in all the poor?

The goal is to take in as many foreigners as possible because the truth is that the very purpose in itself is to humiliate the white man and make him a minority in his own home.

And how much is a "reasonable flow"? Apparently our current flow is not reasonable enough for you. The left will never be satisfied. Now we're at the point where's it's simply "We're already multicultural and it's too late to change that, just learn to deal with it lol"

That's a nasty and deliberate tactic they've used from the very beginning.

To call America stupid country is another insult and factually ridiculous.

You always say these bad things only about Western nations, never anything negative about foreigners. It stinks. It's with this type of lenient attitude we get these horrendous consequences where the authorities are lecturing to the crime-victim about the perpetrators trauma with racism and being vulnerable



Slimebeast said:

Exactly. I was shocked when I realized how few the true liberals are.

Judging from the comments on Youtube in the comment fields to videos by Sam Harris, TheAmazingAtheist, Milo Yannopolis etc (there are many good conservative and liberal activists making videos on YT*, something I almost never see on mainstream media) I have some hope that they are on the rise though. What do you think?


* Of course I make a clear distinction between conservative and liberal ideology, but with regards to freedom of speech issues and the battle against SJW, they often use similar arguments and inter-mix, especially people in the comment fields.

I have no idea if classical liberalism is on the rise, but classical liberals are definitely not going down without a fight. What's great is that there is disagreement between classical liberals, but they keep it classy. They don't resort to group think that has marred the left (and also the right) and emphasize on individualism. They are most concerned with the most important type of diversity which is intellectual diversity. Some other YouTubers I tend to follow are The Rubin Report, Vernaculis, Kraut and Tea, and Chris Ray Gun.

The reason why conservatives and liberals' arguments inter-mix is because conservatism and liberalism are not antonyms of each other. You can be both. The reason why they seem to be at opposite ends of each other is because of the current political climate. This guy can explain it better than me



It's not really Trump's hateful isolationist rhetoric or racist policies that make him dangerous, it's how erratic he is. He's said he would go to war with Iran basically over an insult. He's asked high ranking government officials at his briefings "If we have nuclear weapons why don't we use them?" The fact that thoughts like that could even cross his mind, let alone voice them aloud, is terrifying beyond words. The current state of the world would only make the situation even scarier. North Korea is nearly on the verge of having a long range nuclear weapon and it wouldn't surprise me if Kim Jung Un is crazy enough to consider firing one off just for the hell of it. Should that nightmare scenario come to pass I don't trust Trump to respond in a way that wouldn't place the world in grave danger. This goes beyond just politics, I would vote for Clinton even if she was literally The Devil. A vote for Trump might as well be as dangerous as playing with matches near a powder keg.



Proudest Platinums:
1. Gran Turismo 5
2. Persona 4 Arena
3. Wipeout HD
4. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
5. Super Street Fighter 4