| Soundwave said: Firstly, I do think people have to learn to live together. That is a liberal idea. Locking yourself in your country and saying 6/7 of the world's population has to live in poverty is morally reprehensible. We have a responsibility to allow a reasonable flow of immigration. Beyond that, it's needed in the first place, the only reason America is able to lead is because they import half their PhDs from India and China, otherwise it's a pretty stupid country (of developed countries, America almost always puts up mediocre eductional rankings compared to other developed countries). By and large MOST people are able to co-exist. Yes they are different, but even most Muslims in the West are not raving fanatics, they're just regular people. Have a conversation with one. They're not the boogeyman they're painted out to be. Yes, there are always going to be issues, but before the West pats itself on the back too hard for "progressive" liberal ideals like gay rights and minority rights, 20-30 years ago many in the West felt the same as the average Muslim does today. Progress takes time, it isn't done overnight. We cannot hide behind borders forever, the world is changed, we have access to technology and eductation and information and are tied together with a global system of capital no matter what. If this existed for humans 500 years ago, the way countries are made up would be vastly different. And honestly I simply don't fear some kind of "Islamist" state in the West, no one (including most Muslims here) want to live like an 18th century goat herder. Hyper-religiousism (if you want to call it that) will always fail in a modern society. Yes sure for that particular religion perhaps more thoughtful integration policies are required, but thoughtful is the operative word there. |
First of all, no, America isn't a stupid country. American whites perform on the same level as Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. The reason the US gets low average scores is because hispanics and blacks pull down the average, and Asians are too small of a group to pull the average up much.
You only justified immigration for highly-educated people from India and China. What about all the other people we let in who don't have any education and will likely end up on welfare or in jail?
I'm not sure what you mean when you say we can't hide behind borders forever. For the past 50 years we've let in tens of millions of immigrants from all across the world. Sure, progress takes time, but the more people we let in, the slower that progress will be. We need a break from having over a million immigrants enter the country per year. The ones currently here need to be integrated into American society, which won't happen if there are enough entering the country for them to form their own ethnic neighborhoods, isolated from the rest of the nation.
