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I'm...

All for it. 3 8.11%
 
Okay with it, but I wish ... 4 10.81%
 
I hate it! 24 64.86%
 
I can't wait to spend mo... 2 5.41%
 
l can't see, my lightbul... 4 10.81%
 
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Acevil said:
Ka-pi96 said:
What`s this thread even about? Half the people seem to be talking about replacing products that still work, while the other half seem to be talking about products breaking easier these days thus needing replacing more often. So which one is it?

Apparantly products break easier now than they did decades ago? I mean besides phones (given this might be neglect or poor design choice by the richest company in the world) I don't really see it. 

I don't either. I've had my 5s since launch. All working fine. No scratches, didn't drop it etc. I also have the headphones that came with it. Still working. Just dirty looking. Thanks to the white color being a dirt magnet.



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heh also got a Sharp TV from the late 90s. Still in working condition but far too small for my taste.



JRPGfan said:
John2290 said:

You know that 70's Tv with the wodden bezel that you or your parents (maybe grandparents) still have, I bet that still working, yeah? Well, as long as it wasn't used excessively with early gen home consoles :D. Now how many 90's TV's did you, your Pops go through? I bet that number is idiotically high. I know my family combined went through at least 7 that I can recall. Well that is planned obsolescence in a nutshell. A better example would probably be the tungsten lightbulb.

All our lightbulbs are those LED light ones, that use 1/10th of the power and last 20+years instead, and generate much less heat.

However they do cost like 4-5times as much as the normal ones, but imo worth it.

 

1100+ lumens for 75watts of power with a normal bulb, vs 8watts or so with a LEB lightbulb.

The powerbill alone will earn back its higher cost, and the fact that they basically never break, and last so damn long makes them a much better buy.

Have you had them for 20+ years yet? :)

This is proven tech
http://www.centennialbulb.org/

Working since 1901!

I hate these new LED street lights. Awefully bright. It's going to be horrible when the snow comes. It's great they use much less power than the old sodium orange glow, yet I don't need daylight next to my house all night long. It should have been possible to see the auroras here last night from the recent solar storm, not a friggin chance with all the light pollution.

Do I still need to replace all my dimmers for LED lights? I mostly use halogen lights on dimmers. I'm not fond of bright lights at night.



Acevil said:
Ka-pi96 said:
What`s this thread even about? Half the people seem to be talking about replacing products that still work, while the other half seem to be talking about products breaking easier these days thus needing replacing more often. So which one is it?

Apparantly products break easier now than they did decades ago? I mean besides phones (given this might be neglect or poor design choice by the richest company in the world) I don't really see it. 

That is actually an incorrect usage of the term planned obsolescence. planned obsolescence is about when you release a product you already have your next version planned with the features in order to make your current releasing product obsolete. It is sound business practise for products with high volumes and low margins. sometimes it does include building products with real expected lifetimes due to engineering of product but that is more a byproduct of designing to an expected lifetime at minimal cost.



nanarchy said:
Acevil said:

Apparantly products break easier now than they did decades ago? I mean besides phones (given this might be neglect or poor design choice by the richest company in the world) I don't really see it. 

That is actually an incorrect usage of the term planned obsolescence. planned obsolescence is about when you release a product you already have your next version planned with the features in order to make your current releasing product obsolete. It is sound business practise for products with high volumes and low margins. sometimes it does include building products with real expected lifetimes due to engineering of product but that is more a byproduct of designing to an expected lifetime at minimal cost.

Hmm so am I confusing built in life-span with something else? Or is that just one of the many cause and effect of planned obsolescene?

Like for example: Harder to replace screen/parts on iPhone after any damage. Due to the company choosing materials that are easily damaged or wearn out and cost of repair is not worth the value. 



 

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SuperNova said:
I hate planned obsolescence in household producs more than anything. I mean how many times are you going to reinvent the mixer for christssake? Just give me something sturdy that will last. I'd even pay extra to get around this planned obsolescence bull.

It should be my decision if and when i want to adopt new hardware, not the sellers. I see the benefits of a refrigerator or a washing machine that uses less energy and I might even get one without my old model failing first, but small household appliances like mixers, juicers and graters should be build to last.

Printers are one of the worst offenders of this. I haven't had a single one in recent memory last me longer than 3 years and they are usually build to discurage repairability, with moving parts like the printerheads build in and impossible to replace.

I bought a Vitamix, expensive, but looks promising that it will last. Most stuff is so flimsy nowadays, old toasters, microwaves, mixers, ovens were so much more durable. I blame cheap plastics. I can't even find a well made water cooler here made from aluminum or other lasting parts. You can get a chrome housing for looks, yet the important part where the bottle sits and the levers, all plastics. I fixed the levers on the previous one we had a couple of times although the collar was already cracked, then the heater water tank started leaking. Can't win.

It's the same with the hot water tank for the house. You rent that nowadays and it's not build to last. When ours started leaking the people that came to replace it complained about it themselves, max 10 years is what they're rated for. That's their job nowadays, haul in and out, rapairman is not really the right job title anymore. We can send people into space, can't build a lasting water tank.

Printers are like razors. Build as cheap as possible, profit margin is on the ink. I bet my dad's first matrix printer still works. That still worked with an ink ribbon and chainlink paper. These new ink cartridges never last, usually dry out before even halfway used.

Different times. When I grew up it was still the norm to get the soles on your shoes replaced. Shoe repair shops were a regular part in department stores and shopping plazas. But that was when shoes were still made with real materials. Nowadays my new winter boots leak before the end of the winter and the shoelaces are broken.



A great example of planned obsolescence as you call it would be the "support" updates your phone recieved over two years, with each update introducing new glitches and bugs to the point where something fundamental breaks and you now NEED to buy an upgrade. It's that very reason that my iPhone 6s is still on the firmware it launched with, and boy was I rewarded with all the connection problems popping up for those who made the move to iOS10 a few days ago.

Beyond that, the only tech I've ever had to replace because of breaking is our microwave and our washer/dryer once. Never had a tv break (our tube tv from the late 90s does fine) and the only time a console has broken on me is from modding.



Yes and it annoys me. These day and age something that is considered high-en barely lasts 2 years (phones are the primary culprits). But what can we do? When all the retards upgarde on a yearly basis, this is the result that you will get.



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hunter_alien said:
Yes and it annoys me. These day and age something that is considered high-en barely lasts 2 years (phones are the primary culprits). But what can we do?

Just wait. Eventually, upgrading will end. Phones will have everything people want. And not care to get anything better. It can only go so far. Once Apple relents and adds SD card support. They're done with anything worthwhile to add.