1. No you cant. Unless you want to go with used parts and thats still hard unles you dont count windows mouse keybord monitor like pc fans like to exclude.

2. Leave it to an enthusiast to spend $800+ on a rig to then buy $5 games on steam sales that have long since left peoples interest. I highly doubt that people build expensive machines to play old games, if you wwant high graphics and efects you will want to see them on the best and newest titles. And on consoles you dont pay just for online, you know I get 6 free games a month for having ps+, thats 72 free games a year for $60, I dont even play online.

3. Lasted 3 years. You get a competive pc and you cant garanty it will still play the new games at the desired resolution and frames. You cant even garanty the mother board will suport the new chips and might just have to get  whole new pc that will cost you more than a console. This releases just showed that, at least for amd, no clue about nvidia.

4. what is subjective is if you like thouse games or not, but the amount of quality exclusives is higher on consoles.

Seems I worded my messege poorly. 

The people that care the most about perfomance and playing at higher settings are paying $800+ for their PCs and making $400+ dollar upgrades to their machines every 3-5 years. PS4Pro won't be enough for these people right now. PS4Pro will be losing to $500+ machines in about a year. At best, the PS4Pro would entice people playing on the mid-low tier of pcs. Sony wants to bring in pc gamers that are leaving consoles after a few years from release because of performance but created a machine that doesn't seem that enticing to a lot of that crowd (largly the guys with $800+ rigs). PS4Pro would appeal more to the people already on the mid-low, and I truly wonder if they would be happier paying $400 every thhree years for a playstation or just riding out their $500-600 PCs with more modest upgrades every 4+ years. It should appeal to some. Things look worse for sony in this regard when you compare libraries and the additional cost of ps+.

Blu-Ray has been out for more than 10 years now and it is still lagging behind DVD and sales of both are dropping. At some point we have to accept that something isn't really that big of a deal.

1. you can tell yourself that if you want.

2. Not bragging, just correcting you, you said pay for online so I tell you that its not jusst for online your paying, online might just be an added bonus to some, for me its actually nothing as I never play online.

3. You do know that PC gamers have it worst than console gamers waiting 3 years and with rumors of the next one coming? I mean unless you build somethin really beefy, PC gamers are always looking for something better. The ones that the pro is aimed at are the ones who dint build monster rigs and the pro is a good upgrade at a better price.

4. If you bring up the entire history of gaming then I see your point. But again, most of that means nothing to new consumers, they wwant to play the new stuff that keeps being shoved down their throughts every day in comercials, buildboads radio, adds online. And again, consoles have more. Enjoy all 4 big MS exclusives on yearly release.

This is where I disagre. You seem to think that to be interested in performance means the best of the best, wich is wrong. If I want something better than what I already have, dosent mean I will only get something 10x better. Nor does it mean I have the means to afford it. Nor does it mean that I will apreciate a 10x diference. There are so many inbetwens. I belive that there will be a lot of pc gamers that will see interest in this. There will be others like me, who thought of getting a pc, but decided to get the pro instead. There will also be others who are not really impres by it, but really cant aford what a pc would cost to match a pro. 

its not that simple dude. 

I have an RX 480 8GB in my PC, it was 300 bucks. PS4 Pro has similiar power to my PC, but includes every other component needed to run, where as even if I went cheap ass it would take another 300 to get it up and running.

Then you add better optimimization  and you get performance on Par with say a 800-900 dollar rig. 

Yes they are not going to compete with people doing an RX480 in CFX or running a GTX 1080, but those cards or combos of cards are 600-800 dollars alone. 

They are not completing against the PC enthusiast market. He did not say that. They are targeting the mass market PC audience. PS4 Pro should remain relevent against PCs (while losing ground each year) until PS5 comes up and catches it back up again. 

He says they are competing against people that are looking to PC for the best visuals and best performance... Pretty sure those who are looking to PC for those knows the cost of those parts...

If he meant only those who are looking for the best bang for the buck, he should have said so without having people interpreting in many different ways.

Anyway, I have argued with this and etc a lot in previous pages and covered pretty much all arguments. So I will just go with agree to disagree and not reply

Windows can be free if you play your cards right, plenty of OEM boxes that are disposed of which have the Windows Key on it, which you can then use to activate Windows with a Phone call to Microsoft.

As for Mouse and Keyboard, they are like $5-$10.

Monitor? If you have to include a monitor for a PC, then you have to include a TV for a console, Apples to Apples, don't change the goal posts, PC can connect to a TV just like a console remember and many PC's are sold without a monitor.

For second hand hardware, there are tons of computer recyclers and swap meets where you can pick up surprisingly powerful hardware on the cheap, I once scored a Hex-core Nahelem chip for $5 once.

You assume Steam is the only place you can buy Steam games, if you buy a AAA game for full price on PC, then you are literally doing it wrong, there is always a sale/discount somewhere.
Games are cheaper on PC than Console, always have, always will even for Pre-Orders and New Releases.

As for Free games, the PC has free games as well. For free. They aren't hidden behind a paywall either.. With that said, the price you pay for your Subscription for your console could afford you hundreds of games via Humble Bundle.

You can guarentee it.
PC is vastly different than even a few console generations ago, technology has stagnated, no longer do you require the latest and greatest  CPU+Motherboard+Ram+GPU to play the latest games, there is a renewed focus on efficiency with API's that are set to let PC's get console-like low-level optimization.
End result is, even a 5 year old PC with a GPU upgrade can pretty much play every PC game out there with years of life left.

My main PC has a Core i7 3930K released half a decade ago, it's still out-benching intels latest and greatest when overclocked. (I want to upgrade, just the right hardware doesn't exist yet.)
And it still has years of gaming life left in it.

I'm going to play with semantics here.

But the PC has more games than any other platform and that cannot be disputed, decades large multi-platform games library on an open platform does that.

The PC also has more exclusives than any other platform, mostly because it's Game Library *never* resets or restarts.

And if you are an Xbox Gamer (And Probably Wii U, NFI on the PS4), sorry but the PC gets more exclusives than you do this year. ;)

With that said, all your console exclusives will end up on PC, it's not a matter of *if* it is a matter of when, whether you like it or not.

To be fair, Optical Discs are used more for than just Movies, there were a few games that had FMV downgrades on the Xbox 360 thanks to the DVD medium.

1. that is a silly argument. PC gamers exlcude monitor mouse windows monitor keyboard etc for the exact same reason console gamers exclude the TV as part of the cost. They generally move between machines.

3. given the intragenerational upgrades happening now with PS and Xbox we will have exactly the same problem with consoles where games will be running at compromised resolutions or frame rates depending on the version of the console you have.

the reality is PC and console markets are different. and while they are getting a little closer together the PS4Pro doesn't compete with a PC and PC doesn't compete with a PS4Pro, the markets barely overlap at the edges and nothing now or announced for the next year or two looks to be changing that.

How are they suppose to compete with PC if they cancelled all mod support for the PS4, Fallout 4 being the main victim here?