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Nem on 14 August 2016
JWeinCom said:
Nem said:

So, another post i don't understand.

So, you blame her because she changed her opinions to better ones? I'm not saying anything about Bernie, but stubburnly holding on to skewed perspectives is the sign of ignorance. Having the clairvoyance to admit you were wrong is a sign of intelligence. 

I really can't see where she is in the wrong here. She would be a worse candidate if she was holding on to those socially outdated positions.

She would indeed be a worse candidate if she was still holding on to those outdated positions.  She would be a better candidate if she never held them in the first place.

Good for her for finally supporting gay marraige, but it would have been far better if she supported it in 1992, when she had the ear of the president.

It's fine that she recognizes the Iraq war was a bad idea.  It would hae been far better if she realized it before voting for it.  

 

The old saying is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  I certainly want someone who admits when they make a mistake.  More importantly though, I want someone who won't make many mistakes to begin with.

Have you never made any mistakes in your life? I think making mistakes is inevitable while we are alive. Yeah, it would be great not to make them, but recognising when they happen is a very good characteristic to have. No one is infalible. They can only try to sell you the illusion.



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hiccupthehuman on 14 August 2016
Seventizz said:
NateH said:
The media's been saying this every week since like July 2015 though.

When it's mostly controlled by liberals - what else would you expect?

In my country, the media is always reporting negative things about Trump, and never a single negative thing about Hillary, even when there was all the DNC leaks. It's no surprise to me that the liberal media would always do hitpieces on Trump and push Hillary in a positive light. Whenever Trump was a few points behind in the polls, you'd have exaggeratted headlines about him losing. When he was ahead in the polls... nothing.

For this reason, people who think this will be an easy win for Hillary will be in for a surprise I believe. Whenever I see rallies for either candidates, Hillary is always speaking to smallish crowds and Trump is speaking to packed arenas.  This is just like Brexit when polls (controlled be liberal media) showed STAY having a lead in the polls.



JustcallmeRiff on 14 August 2016
Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

And that's a problem.  Because when people were telling Bill Clinton to continue deregulating the commodities markets, he went along with it, while some others (admittedly few) realized the potential danger.

That's why I was such a strong proponent of Bernie.  He saw all of these issues ahead of time, and was on the right side of history nearly every time.  The people (with some help from the democratic party) fucked up big by not nominating him.

I like Bernie Sanders a lot and he was very correct on deregulation. 

That said his tax proposals scare me, a lot of his proposals would send the country into monster debt. 

Bernie Sanders had a new deal for America. Asking Americans to pay more in taxes(so not to create debt) but here's what you will get for your money.....



JustcallmeRiff on 14 August 2016
hiccupthehuman said:
Seventizz said:

When it's mostly controlled by liberals - what else would you expect?

In my country, the media is always reporting negative things about Trump, and never a single negative thing about Hillary, even when there was all the DNC leaks. It's no surprise to me that the liberal media would always do hitpieces on Trump and push Hillary in a positive light. Whenever Trump was a few points behind in the polls, you'd have exaggeratted headlines about him losing. When he was ahead in the polls... nothing.

For this reason, people who think this will be an easy win for Hillary will be in for a surprise I believe. Whenever I see rallies for either candidates, Hillary is always speaking to smallish crowds and Trump is speaking to packed arenas.  This is just like Brexit when polls (controlled be liberal media) showed STAY having a lead in the polls.

Yes, keep repeating this. I do not want a single Progressive voter to think Hillary's Victory is by any means inevitable.



Jon-Erich on 14 August 2016

The two videos here are just a few examples of why a vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is pretty much the same thing. They are both full of shit and have never been consistent about anything. The lies and contradictions seem almost impulsive at times.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-trump-clinton-politics-lies/



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JWeinCom on 15 August 2016
Nem said:
JWeinCom said:

She would indeed be a worse candidate if she was still holding on to those outdated positions.  She would be a better candidate if she never held them in the first place.

Good for her for finally supporting gay marraige, but it would have been far better if she supported it in 1992, when she had the ear of the president.

It's fine that she recognizes the Iraq war was a bad idea.  It would hae been far better if she realized it before voting for it.  

 

The old saying is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  I certainly want someone who admits when they make a mistake.  More importantly though, I want someone who won't make many mistakes to begin with.

Have you never made any mistakes in your life? I think making mistakes is inevitable while we are alive. Yeah, it would be great not to make them, but recognising when they happen is a very good characteristic to have. No one is infalible. They can only try to sell you the illusion.

I'm not running for president.  The demands on me are nowehere near the demands on a presidential candidate.  Hillary should be smarter and more capable than me.

Hillary has a consistent pattern of only taking popular policy positions. From the Iraq War, to the Patroit Act, to the DOMA, to NAFTA, to the Patriot act, to the TPP, and so on.  Sure we all make mistakes, but when one of those mistakes involves the worst foreign policy decision in US history, recognizing it afterwards isn't good enough.  And, it's not one decision.  It's a pattern of decisions that are seemingly made solely on the basis of what's popular at the time.  

I'm not saying this completely disqualifies her or makes her a terrible candidate.  But, it shows she lacks a quality, foresight, that would make for a candidate I'd be truly enthusiastic about.  I want someone who I am confident will avoid the iceberg, not the one who's going to give a good apology after they crash into it.  



AsGryffynn on 15 August 2016
JWeinCom said:
AsGryffynn said:

But they want an unstable (or more isolationist) America. 

I really don't think that's quite the case.  I don't think Trump has necessarily shown he'd be an isolationist.  Like most matters, he's been inconsistent on that.  As for instabilitiy... I don't think anyone really wants an unstable nuclear power.  Obviously, anyone is an overstatement, cause some people are crazy, but I think most people on either side prefer a more stable America.

I think that's, as many have already said, the issue of him having to decide between his own policies and those of his party. 



Alby_da_Wolf on 15 August 2016

Americans, this time you'll feel as we Italians always do all the times we have to vote what we think is the lesser evil.   



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Soundwave on 17 August 2016

Trump's lawyer in the most hilariously awkward TV interview you'll ever see on the news. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2XotbLTfD0

And yes, "Says Who?" is now trending on Twitter, lol. 



Acevil on 18 August 2016
Soundwave said:

Trump's lawyer in the most hilariously awkward TV interview you'll ever see on the news. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2XotbLTfD0

And yes, "Says Who?" is now trending on Twitter, lol. 

Honestly democrat or republican, as an outsider, I love meltdown when losing, this now back to being a very entertaining campaign, the winners are now losers.