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I am a Bernie Sanders' supporter and I am voting for:

Clinton 114 27.80%
 
Donald Trump 123 30.00%
 
Donald Trump cuz America ... 41 10.00%
 
No one 132 32.20%
 
Total:410
Kerotan said:
Azuren said:

But nothing is as bad as a Hillary supporter. 

What's so bad about a hillary supporter? 

Because she's a liar and *surprise* her state denied Bernie supporters from helping him win New York. 



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Azuren said:
Machiavellian said:

Exactly what make you think you still not voting for Goldman Sachs by voting for Trump.  It's very interesting to me why people believe Trump somehow isn't tied to big money.  Exactly what has he done to protray this image because from his background it seems very evident that he he would definitely be on the take.

I mean, it was only one of his main platforms, that the only big money he's tied to is his. 

 

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter; no one gets to directly vote for the president from this point on, anyway. That's the silly aspect of the election - that people think their vote means anything past the primaries (pro-tip: they don't). 

He can say that all he wants as he accepts donor money from anybody who gives it. Keep in mind he's transitioned from a "self-"funded primary into a privately funded GE campaign. And even then he barely actually funded himself. He's clearly shifted more towards corporate interests since locking up the nomination, as his donors started pulling the strings more. He's still being Trump, but he would very much be an establishment GOP president if elected, just with a bigger mouth. 



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DivinePaladin said:

I think this comes down to a difference in opinion on the phrasing of European vs. American ideologies. In my eyes, historically European parties until recently stuck to the rate of change, not the idea behind the change. European conservatives are accepting of change so long as it is gradual; American conservatives generally speaking are by and large against change. It helps that our conservative and liberal parties have to be completely blanket parties because of FPTP in America while in Europe you can get away with having several parties that are functionally different because of the execution of policy rather than the policy basics themselves. 

 

Whereas you see America as more liberal, I see it as far more conservative. Even American ideology fits that in my view - we're functionally a very liberal country until it comes to actually enacting change. Once we have to consider giving something up or the actual ramifications of change, we back down but on paper Americans are almost always seen as supporting progressivism. First thing that comes to mind was when people were asked about ACA policies and shown to be in agreement until they were told that the ACA is Obamacare, at which point they shifted towards disagreement. 

 

Essentially Americans are stupid. Which isn't a uniquely American thing obviously, that's true of everywhere with a public voting system. But I digress, my point was that one can simultaneously (and validly) argue that America is both more conservative AND more liberal than Europe, depending on how one views things. 

There is tons of change that American conservatives want. For example, the GOP has a platform on reforming government, taxes, immigration ( https://www.gop.com/platform/reforming-government/ ) in it there are dozens of other platforms that qualify as "change." From what I've seen of European conservatives, if there is a change by the opposing party and it works in the benefit of the population, they just accept it as a new thing to be conservative about, but I don't think they are more or less interested in change than American "conservatives", just accept it when it happens and by the nature of their political structures more sweeping changes can occur. 

By the way, seeing America as being more liberal than Europe does not necessarily mean it isn't also more right-wing (on average) than Europe. Liberalism is usually positioned as a center position, for no good reason other than they tend to band with both conservatives and social-democrats/socialists. In the U.S, as I said, it is just the case that we have very few social-democrats (today) and very few true conservatives, and even fewer fascists/nationalists (all Americans are nationalist in a way, but only in a very superficial way: flag waving and inward looking, nothing really political.) It is important to remember that liberalism has nothing to do with change, inherently. At its core it is an ideology about individual rights. While it can be radical, it is hardly the only radical ideology, nor does it have to be (in the U.S it is the norm and status quo, since the country was founded on liberalism.) 

I agree with the bolded. This was a huge semantic discussion really, I just found it funny how bastardized the term liberal is in the U.S that somebody called a "neoliberal" is not considered an actual liberal



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Okie_Loki said:
I'll just say this, after Bernie's campaign, if you vote for Hillary you're a hypocrite.

Ron Paul supporters back in 2012 didn't back Romney. Went against their principle.

How so? They're both Neo liberal capitalists.



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Seriously what the F is wrong with some of you.. If you are a Sanders supporter there is no F-ing way you vote for Trump.



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sc94597 said:

I agree with the bolded. This was a huge semantic discussion really, I just found it funny how bastardized the term liberal is in the U.S that somebody called a "neoliberal" is not considered an actual liberal

I'm honestly assuming the person who coined it in the American sense just straight up defined it himself not realizing it was a real term! 



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Azuren said:
Kerotan said:

What's so bad about a hillary supporter? 

Because she's a liar and *surprise* her state denied Bernie supporters from helping him win New York. 

Wow that's so much worse than Donald trump.  Boo hoo.  Seriously if Americans vote in trump as a protest to Clinton the United States has reached a new low and deserves the wrath of trump.  I'll feel absolutely no sympathy for you. 



No, I wont vote for Hillary. I will vote for someone else.



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Naum said:
Seriously what the F is wrong with some of you.. If you are a Sanders supporter there is no F-ing way you vote for Trump.

 Or Hillary...