Okay, I'm growing tired of this.

People have been patient with you and actually tried to explain why the launch has been a success, offering numbers and trying to reasonable. You consistently spin things around, move the goalposts and ignore what's right in front of you. You're offering no numbers of your own, no data, nothing of any substance but worst case scenarios and "he said she said" stuff from another forum.

Either offer up hard data with proof of what you're saying or simply do not post.

No one knows (the budget) except Sony. We do know it's PlayStation's largest ever marketing campaign, the largest team size (nearly doubling from Uncharted 3)*, had developmental issues and the story was completely rewritten, and it has been the focal point of E3, PGW, PSX, and so on for years now.

I just think it's reasonable to suggest as the developmental and marketing budget swells, that expectations for sales increase. 

*I recalled seeing an article about how Uncharted 4's team had doubled since Uncharted 4, however I could not find this article. All I could find was they were at ~170 employees as of Feb. 2012 and are at ~300 employees on LinkedIn currently. Nearly a doubling in size since Uncharted 3. 

aLkaLiNE said:

 That may have been your point but you were backing it and twisting data in such a way that made it sound like the black ops 3 bundle has been 90% of all ps4 sales since it released, and I don't think it's fair of you to not fully disclose the fact that A) this happened one month and B) the one time that did happen, it was not worldwide but only in the US. That's very relevent information to mention when you're trying to talk about Sony "padding" sales of uncharted by bundling. 

I actually think the opposite, that Sony would want to levy uncharted 4 by bundling in order to boost Ps4 hardware sales. They themselves have said that they are focusing on install base above everything else, so my idea is at least somewhat grounded in reality where as you're trying to roll with the agenda that Sony would want to make the de facto ps4 SKU come with uncharted just to say "Hey, look uncharted sold a whole bunch by us artificially inflating it's sell through numbers!" From a business perspective, that is frankly stupid and there are numerous legitimate reasons why they would want to pair the two. You seem to be the only one here downplaying and trying to iterate that Uncharted is a sales disappointment. It's not. It's the fastest selling PlayStation exclusive EVER. The only people apparently disappointed are the ones that won't get to play it

Already did that. It's a circular argument because 1) we don't have reliable UC2, UC3, and TLoU numbers 2) We don't know Uncharted 4 legs 3) we don't know the developmental and marketing budget and Sony's internal expectations. 

Here's a post I made in another thread that outlines my thoughts with citations. But like I said, we can't concretely say one side is right and one side is wrong. Difference is I don't insult and troll others for sharing a different viewpoint than myself. 

We have estimations from reliable sources, leaks and numbers from official sources (NPD, gfk, MC). Estimations that have been put forward to you in this very thread, with direct comparisons showing that Uncharted 4 is coming out on top by a clear distance. We know that Naughty Dog as a team has increased drastically in size since they expanded to 2 teams, and we know that ND have a project in the works for the last ~12 Months at least, which tells us that the entire ~300 person team was not working on Uncharted 4 for the full dev cycle.

All this has already been posted to you and explained in detail.

If you aren't happy with the 2.7 Million units in one week then what were you expecting from Uncharted 4, considering that we know this is already by far the best launch that Naughty Dog has ever had?

Yeah, that might be a first. I've never heard of a record-breaking disappointment. :P

That said, for something on PlayStation to top GT5's 2.3m Week 1 is not only impressive, it makes it another IP that may be a 9-10 million seller for the company. I can then see The Last Of Us 2 topping Uc4 with a Week 1 of 3m, making it 3!

This has been the case since around January. He also posted a graph going with it showing that a huge portion of BO3 software sales are PS4 bundles (and considering Xbox One BO3 sales were included in the chart, a great majority of BO3 sales on PS4 came from bundles in those months in US)

I never said it was a bad decision, and it's a smart business decision, as is padding Uncharted 4 numbers a smart business decision. It's a win-win for Sony which is why I believe they will do it. 

Speaking of which, my copy should be arriving today, will have to see how it is.  

Clearly you've not been keeping up, Mummelmann. It's an impressive sales dissapointment is what it is! :p