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Will Nintendo go with a mobile based system for console games?

Yes, the market is moving... 36 26.09%
 
No, standard game console... 102 73.91%
 
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SonytendoAmiibo on 18 May 2016
0D0 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I know about ARM CPU, but how you can put 2TF GPU in mobile phone!?

Its not point if game can run on mobile devices because they can, but you clearly didn't expect that mobile game will gave you same experience like home console game playing on TV, that exactly what Nintendo talked about.

Home console will always have much stronger hardware than any phone can have, that is a fact.

Biggest breakthrough for mobile games past, and console survived, even handheld console (3DS) survived.

Concept of playing games on mobile device and playing games on home console at home at big screen is totally different.

Battery is another problem. How can you play huge games like Dark Souls III or Xenoblade Chornicles X in a mobile device with the battery quality we've got now.

Yes. Batteries on mobile devices massively impact chip performance. An ARM chip plugged into a wall socket has way more processing power.

But new battery technology is coming. They are working on cells that are actually billions of tiny capacitors that super fast charge. 

This is just the rudimentary beginning of full console games on mobile. But it will happen.



   

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Frogger on 18 May 2016
SpokenTruth said:
spemanig said:

I don't see why not when the game would have much lower quality assets on the NX handheld version.

We have 2 different arguments being made in this thread.

1. The claim that mobile devices would have lower resolutions/texture assets, etc...than home consoles so file sizes would be smaller.

2. The claim that mobile devices will be just as powerful as PS4 in 2017...suggesting resolutions, texture assets, etc...would be the same as home consoles.  So file sizes would be the same.

 

Which is it?

I'm with 1. I already disagreed with 2 at length in this thread.



SonytendoAmiibo on 18 May 2016
SpokenTruth said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

Yes. Batteries on mobile devices massively impact chip performance. An ARM chip plugged into a wall socket has way more processing power.

But new battery technology is coming. They are working on cells that are actually billions of tiny capacitors that super fast charge. 

This is just the rudimentary beginning of full console games on mobile. But it will happen.

Not by 2017 it's not.

How do you plan to dissipate the heat produced by 150+ watts that would be required to produce home console power?

150 WATTS! Holy banana splits Batman! What kind of game are you playing? 

Complementary oven mitts will of course be provided.  



   

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maxleresistant on 19 May 2016

Why are we talking about mobile gaming? Why not talk about handheld.

PS vita, PSP, Nintendo DS, Nintendo 3DS, they all have ARM architectures.

 

That is a way better exemple of what the NX could be than smartphone games.



SonytendoAmiibo on 19 May 2016
SpokenTruth said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

150 WATTS! Holy banana splits Batman! What kind of game are you playing? 

Complementary oven mitts will of course be provided.  

PS4 uses ~145 watts during gameplay.

I've got the model C PS4 that uses 40 watts less, so yeah, 100.watts. Those X 86 chips love the juice. That's where ARM chips have the advantage, requiring less power to do the same thing. The X1 chip uses 10 watts of power running from battery and 20 watts from power supply.

When they finally get a ARM chip with PS4 processing power it will probably be around 25 to 30 watts. Still to much for a battery, but fine from a wall socket.



   

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SonytendoAmiibo on 19 May 2016
SpokenTruth said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

I've got the model C PS4 that uses 40 watts less, so yeah, 100.watts. Those X 86 chips love the juice. That's where ARM chips have the advantage, requiring less power to do the same thing. The X1 chip uses 10 watts of power running from battery and 20 watts from power supply.

When they finally get a ARM chip with PS4 processing power it will probably be around 25 to 30 watts. Still to much for a battery, but fine from a wall socket.

90% of the power of the X1 comes from the Maxwell GPU, not the ARM CPU.

10 watts is still a lot for a mobile device.   That's what a top end tablet uses now.  25 to 30 watts would be way too much heat for a small form design to dissipate.

But the mobile tech is advancing fast. Another few years from now and we will see crazy processing power in phones and tablets with minimal power consumption. Plus with new types of data storage like solid state drives and holographic memory our portable devices might as well be our consoles too. Just dock your tablet to the TV (for more power @ docking station) and bluetooth a controller to it.



   

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SonytendoAmiibo on 19 May 2016

Here is a link to an article that shows kids today use phones and tablets on road trips much more than dedicated handheld gaming devices.

Will these kids grow up and buy a home console or a powerful tablet for gaming. Their consumer choices will shape the future of gaming.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/272973/Kids_getting_smartphones_at_10_as_portable_console_popularity_shrinks.php



   

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0D0 on 19 May 2016
SonytendoAmiibo said:
SpokenTruth said:

90% of the power of the X1 comes from the Maxwell GPU, not the ARM CPU.

10 watts is still a lot for a mobile device.   That's what a top end tablet uses now.  25 to 30 watts would be way too much heat for a small form design to dissipate.

But the mobile tech is advancing fast. Another few years from now and we will see crazy processing power in phones and tablets with minimal power consumption. Plus with new types of data storage like solid state drives and holographic memory our portable devices might as well be our consoles too. Just dock your tablet to the TV (for more power @ docking station) and bluetooth a controller to it.

Mobile today can run 3DS games, maybe bigger games in fact, but it doesn't. We don't get games like Fire Emblem and  Zelda on mobile. People on mobile are playing Clash games, card games and such. I think an iPad Air 2 could run a few PS3 games (I guess!) but they're not coming.

 

SonytendoAmiibo said:

Here is a link to an article that shows kids today use phones and tablets on road trips much more than dedicated handheld gaming devices.

Will these kids grow up and buy a home console or a powerful tablet for gaming. Their consumer choices will shape the future of gaming.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/272973/Kids_getting_smartphones_at_10_as_portable_console_popularity_shrinks.php

Children play whatever their parents buy and their friends are playing. Once they find out what console gaming is (GTA, Zelda, CoD, etc) and they like it, they just go and buy a console. Otherwise, they just keep playing their Clash games.

My point is, it's all about audience. An iPad Air 2 could run many great Steam games today, but devs just don't relase those games on iPad, they've got other "mobile oriented" games to release there.



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SonytendoAmiibo on 26 May 2016
SpokenTruth said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

But the mobile tech is advancing fast. Another few years from now and we will see crazy processing power in phones and tablets with minimal power consumption. Plus with new types of data storage like solid state drives and holographic memory our portable devices might as well be our consoles too. Just dock your tablet to the TV (for more power @ docking station) and bluetooth a controller to it.

It advanced incredibly fast because it had lagged way behind to start with.  Now it has moved into the average rate of advancement.   Meaning the rate of mobile advancement is now on par with the same rate of advancement as other tech.   It was simply impossible for that rate of advancement to remain constant because physics simply doesn't work that way. 

And there is no magical way to dissipate the heat generated by 25-30 watts regardless of it being ARM or IBM or Intel or AMD.  Heat is heat.

John Gruber says X86 is dead. Here is the link.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-gruber-intel-x86-dead-platform-walking-2015-11

As the sales of X86 chip PC's slows ARM powered mobile device sales skyrocket. Here is the link.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/04/4-charts-that-explain-the-decline-of-the-pc/



   

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SonytendoAmiibo on 26 May 2016

SpokenTruth said:

Also, sales do not have any relation to power (didn't the Wii and DS teach you that already?).

What is selling will get all the research and development money. What is not selling will be pushed to the side.

(The Wii U being pushed to the side should be teaching you right now.)



   

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