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Forums - Politics Discussion - Target announces genderless bathrooms!

JustcallmeRiff on 25 April 2016
Dunban67 said:

its my understanding that, accoding to their policy you use the bathroom you identify with at that time-  who is to say he isnt feeling like a women that day? how does anyone judge what gender that person identifies w that day there will be more incedents of harrasement and percieved harrasment than previous 

Your understanding is incorrect. Transgender people don't get expensive and painful surgeries like breast enhancements/reduction , invert or extrude their genitalia , take testosterone/ estrogen pills because they don't know what gender they want to be today. All of the states have laws against perverted and lewd acts. Your family is just as safe as before the bathroom laws.



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d21lewis on 25 April 2016

I've said it before and I'll say it, again. If I can walk into a women's bathroom without consequence, I'm going in and I'm pissing on all of the toilet seats. Try and stop me!



Shiken on 25 April 2016

This is the kind of stupid shit social justice warriors live for. It is no longer about rights, it is becoming more and more about shoving it down peoples throats. In this case, they put the comfort of others (mainly parents) at risk just so these people can feel better about their own life choices. Not to mention the weirdos who would abuse it for other means.

This kinda catering to BS makes me sick. They should have rights, but use some damn common sense people.



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Normchacho on 25 April 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
Normchacho said:

What? Target didn't change the law! hahaha! There are most states have no laws about bathroom usage and even those that do rarely make a thing out of it unless someone is causing a problem.

Any perv, pedo, or predator can just walk into a womens bathroom. They don't have bouncers. 

This is an interesting line of thought though...gun laws don't make sense, because criminals don't follow them, Bathroom signs though, you don't mess with bathroom signs.

Again, there is no way to prove anyone "identifies" as something they're not. That's why the whole thing is one big joke and won't last long.

1. It would actually be pretty easy to determine if someone has a history of identifying as the opposite gender. You ask the people in their lives. If you talk to a friend of family member of someone and go "How long have you known John?" and they respond with "Oh, you mean Jenny?" They're probably transgender.

2. If a situation is serious enough that there is legal action being taken. Then it's not going to matter why they went into the bathroom. If someone went into the womens bath room, and exposed themselves to other people or harrased someone or worse. It doesn't matter how they identify.

3. Won't last long? You think Target has just started allowing this? You think they were stopping transgendered people from using the bathroom of their choice before? I've worked at Target for 5 years and have met both customers and employees who are trans, and they always use the bathroom they identify with. The only thing new here is Target making it official policy. You should also know that pretty much every other major retailer opperates the same way. If you aren't causing an issue, they really don't give a shit which bathroom you use.



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Robtommy34 on 25 April 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Robtommy34 said:
forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2016/04/23/targets-transgender-bathroom-policy-makes-it-a-boycott-target/#323e6c781e50

Here is the Forbes article, and succinctly; it states that transgender people are allowed to use the restroom that they feel the most comfortable in using. I support this, as moving to a society more free of discrimination and toward liberal values is a good thing. Also, if what people are worried about happens, if you have some of these perverts that try to peep on the peeing women, and it happens too often, Target can always reverse it's position. It's just a company's stance, not a societal level of change.

I think most of us are pretty liberal on social issues. Our concern has always been creepy guys and if this decision was left to women the majority probably dont want to shit with men.

Its not about discriminating trangenders, its about men statisiticially being more creepy than women.

Men dont care about shitting with women. But they dont want to be in our restrooms unless theirs is full.

Of course but I'm sure that this board realises that Target can always reverse the decision if need be.  



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Dunban67 on 25 April 2016
JWeinCom said:
Dunban67 said:

If a man was seen walking into an occupied womens room it would bring attention in most communittties quickly-  most women would be none too happy and would let the guy know-  if a man was seen repeatly walking into a womens room in most communitties someone would call the police-  that is if various men in the vicinty did not throw him out phyically 1st-   

in a public place those signs are pretty meaningful- otherwise 99.9% of the time men would not enter the mens room and woemn the womens room as they have been doing for many years

In your situations, the signs aren't doing shit.  People are being vigilant.  And people can still be vigilant.  If there are people around who are as concerned as you say, then a person shouldn't be getting away with anything sketchy regardless of what target says. 

 

it seems you missed the point- and its not "my sitation" it is prety common mindset in most of the country-



Dunban67 on 25 April 2016
curl-6 said:

Both my University and now my workplace have genderless toilets, and have had them for many years now. (Hell, when I visited my Uni on a science camp back in 2005 they already had them)

I have never heard any complaints, nor of any lawsuits.

are they single facikity bathrooms or b rooms that multiple people use at the same time?  I have seen some genderless bathrooms in publc places but they have been  bathrooms w  1 toilet that typically 1 person would use at a time



binary solo on 26 April 2016

Well if a perv wanted to go into a women's bathroom and peep under the doors to look at women taking a piss or shit, they could do that already if they just dressed up like a woman. genderless bathrooms aren't going to make people more pervy.

The only thing I would say is that there need to be bathrooms with urinals for people with dicks to take a piss (efficiency of time ans use of space), and bathrooms without urinals for people without dicks to be able to go to those bathrooms and not risk being harassed by certain overly aggressive people with dicks. Perhaps bathrooms can be identified as "U" for urinal, and "C" for cubicle instead of M and F.

I support gender neutral bathrooms, but not across the board. I think some women/girls would want to go into a bathroom where they are confident they won't run across a man, and some men might not want to run the risk of a woman seeing their wanger, or worse still get intense stage fright where they are unable to get the flow going. So there should be 3 bathroom designations.



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curl-6 on 26 April 2016
Dunban67 said:
curl-6 said:

Both my University and now my workplace have genderless toilets, and have had them for many years now. (Hell, when I visited my Uni on a science camp back in 2005 they already had them)

I have never heard any complaints, nor of any lawsuits.

are they single facikity bathrooms or b rooms that multiple people use at the same time?  I have seen some genderless bathrooms in publc places but they have been  bathrooms w  1 toilet that typically 1 person would use at a time

Both kinds.



Puppyroach on 26 April 2016
spurgeonryan said:

There is no problem with what Target did, other than they forget there are still creeps out there that will take advantage of this. Some pedo will dress up and go in these bathrooms. How can people let their daughters use these bathrooms now and feel safe?

You do know that a pedo can already do that in every toilet everywhere in the states, right? And you do know that pedo´s usually don´t do that since they usually commit these crimes toward family member or in open spaces where they can get away easily? This is a false argument that tries to villify people who have another gender identity than their biological gender, and prevent them from living their life as they see fit.

OT: I don´t see where the issue is at all. We have genderless restrooms all over Sweden, and I cannot see how that in any way is a problem, unless the person who complains have issues themselves with being insecure in their own sexuality.