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SvennoJ on 21 April 2016
mutantsushi said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

I have the PSVR bundle on pre order. I was barely justifying the $499 cost because it was going to be the OPTIMAL console VR experience. Now I find out that I will get the second string console experience because I have no plans to upgrade to a PS4K. $499 for a lesser experience is too expensive for me.

If Nintendo knocks my socks off at E3 I will probably cancel the PSVR and pre order the NX. 

It is/will be the exact same "experience" that you wanted before.  This is like saying:
"I really liked this restaurant.  But now a fancier restaurant is next door (which I can't afford), so I won't go to my favorite restaurant anymore." (although nothing changed there)
As if you don't actually compare about the experience itself at all, but only the "ranking" of that experience, that you aren't "below somebody/thing else".  
Why not just wear a Burger King crown and call yourself King of Master Race?  Nobody will dispute your position.

How can you be sure it will be the exact same experience?

To me, releasing the NEO shows that Sony isn't all that comitted to PSVR after all. If they were, they would release a slim with a dedicated VR port that can be bundled with the glasses for a reasonable price. Now (according to rumors still) Sony is more focussed on keeping the price up to sell premium versions of games. What does that mean for PSVR. Since the userbase for PSVR starts at zero regardless, which version will be better supported. It's already a new way to make games, so how is splitting it over 2 hardware specs going to affect the quality.

It's not about being able to afford it, it's more that the rumors make it seem PSVR is headed to PS Move level of comittment instead of trying to make it a big success. A side business, instead of the next big thing.

I was very excited about Sony backing VR, yet now I'm not so sure. Definitely not $499 sure anymore.



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Lawlight on 21 April 2016
Airaku said:
vivster said:
PS5 is gonna be 2 PS4Ks taped together named ORBIS.

Lmao, am I the only one that get the ORBIS joke? :P

I don't get it.



Lawlight on 21 April 2016
Soundwave said:
mizzou_guy said:

I see what you're saying, but Google Fiber is only currenlty available in 4 cities with only 7 more cities for sure being expanded into:

https://fiber.google.com/about/

AT&T has many more cities, but if you look at this map, there is A LOT of the country left out, even in the same states where several cities are being developed for fiber:

https://www.att.com/shop/internet/gigapower/coverage-map.html?partner=LinkShare&siteId=je6NUbpObpQ-Tf9WUB0q7MOQZIY_biOCWQ

Comcast also has several cities currently in their fiber market, but again,  A LOT of land in between is not covered:

http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network

You have to remember that America is composed of a lot more land than just cities, and there are millions of people whom are not going to be receiving these fiber networks in the near future.  As I said before, I'd guess that it'll be at least a decade before people outside of these major cities can affordably obtain fiber speeds with their home networks.  Console companies are not going to just mark-off non-city residents from their consumer bases and focus on a console that is streaming only, as they would be losing way too much profit by limiting potential customers with that business model.

This is today though, you have to understand, 2-3 years ago there were like 2-3 cities total ... AT&T is adding 38 cities this year alone. In 5 years pretty much all the country's urban centers will have ultra high speed and probably a lot of rural areas too. 

Even Comcast ... they've found a way to deliver 1 Gigabit internet through *existing* cable infastructure, no fiber network needed. 

So what's happening now is AT&T, Google, and Comcast are all in competetion with each other, which will cause everything to spread even faster. 

Google Fiber was the spark that set off the dynamite. 

In the meantime, the global average internet speed is 5.6 Mbps.



Azzanation on 21 April 2016
Lawlight said:
Azzanation said:

I agree. Services have been the way to go since Steam released. The profitable margins having a service is completely superior to having to spend $$$billions in RnD and paying off the investment years later. Hardware only makes Sony, Nintendo and Xbox spend more of there budget on designing the next system instead of designing us more amazing games. 

 

Iv been saying this for years. The first to replicate Steam is going to have the most success in the future.

This doesn't make sense - Steam is a store. Sony should stop making consoles and only have a store? What?

In other words, PSN and Live should be apps available on all sorts of hardware not locked away and forced to buy hardware you dont want. Sony and Microsoft can spend there billions on making games instead of designing weak hardware.



Dark_Lord_2008 on 21 April 2016

An upgraded PS4 following in the foot steps of the Slim versions of PS1, PS2 and PS3. Slightly better system and it now costs Sony less money to mass produce. A strong line up of PS4 games in combination with the price cut will turbo charge PS4 sales.



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Lawlight on 21 April 2016
Azzanation said:
Lawlight said:

This doesn't make sense - Steam is a store. Sony should stop making consoles and only have a store? What?

In other words, PSN and Live should be apps available on all sorts of hardware not locked away and forced to buy hardware you dont want. Sony and Microsoft can spend there billions on making games instead of designing weak hardware.

But Steam isn't an app that's available to all sorts of hardware. If I wanted to use it, I'd be forced to buy a PC which is hardware that I don't want to buy.



Soundwave on 21 April 2016
Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

This is today though, you have to understand, 2-3 years ago there were like 2-3 cities total ... AT&T is adding 38 cities this year alone. In 5 years pretty much all the country's urban centers will have ultra high speed and probably a lot of rural areas too. 

Even Comcast ... they've found a way to deliver 1 Gigabit internet through *existing* cable infastructure, no fiber network needed. 

So what's happening now is AT&T, Google, and Comcast are all in competetion with each other, which will cause everything to spread even faster. 

Google Fiber was the spark that set off the dynamite. 

In the meantime, the global average internet speed is 5.6 Mbps.

It won't be forever. Ultra High Speed is rapidly spreading in the two key gaming markets in the USA and Japan. Some European countries are starting to ramp up too. 

I liken it to the situation here like in 1997, pretty much no one had broadband internet. By 2007 everyone and their grandma had it and WIFI to boot. 

The other big difference today is Comcast is using a tech called DOCSIS 3.1 which can get massively more bandwidth from just existing regular cable networks. 



nitus10 on 21 April 2016
vivster said:
PS5 is gonna be 2 PS4Ks taped together named ORBIS.

Well 8K is due out this year. It will be very interesting to see what hardware will support 8k gaming. Streaming will definately not cut it.



thismeintiel on 22 April 2016

Much ado about nothing. He took a simple statement that was made to squash the subject, and assumed it meant more. They aren't going to start talking about the PS5 when the PS4K hasn't even been announced. We still have at least 2 years before we start hearing rumblings of the PS5. And here's a hint of what it'll be, PS4*4 in terms of power.



 

Lawlight on 22 April 2016
Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

In the meantime, the global average internet speed is 5.6 Mbps.

It won't be forever. Ultra High Speed is rapidly spreading in the two key gaming markets in the USA and Japan. Some European countries are starting to ramp up too. 

I liken it to the situation here like in 1997, pretty much no one had broadband internet. By 2007 everyone and their grandma had it and WIFI to boot. 

The other big difference today is Comcast is using a tech called DOCSIS 3.1 which can get massively more bandwidth from just existing regular cable networks. 

It's increasing way too slowly. It was 2.9 Mbps in Q4 2012 and 5.0 Mbps in Q4 2015. That's an average of 0.5Mbps. Maybe in 10 years the global internet will allow for everyone to play games via streaming - in 1080p.