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Forums - Movies & TV - 'Captain America: Civil War' Review Thread - 90% RT/75 MC score - WW BO = $991.0M/DOM = $314.2M

Lawlight on 21 May 2016
Acevil said:
Lawlight said:

Civil War is an Avengers movie - I know since I saw it yesterday. It even has the budget of one. You think Disney isn't worried, I think they are. We're both free to believe what we want.

Do you think Batman V Superman is Justice League movie? Here is the thing that I find fascinating with you, you harp on Disney so much, but do not notice the flaws of Warner Brothers. If you think for a second Warner Brothers does not want to be where Disney is at, and will be at, you are sadly mistaken. You can live in your own world, while Kevin makes a shit ton of bonus. 

No. There's only 3 members of the justice league in that movie and the Justice League hasn't even been formed. WB has a lot of flaws, including that of allowing directors to have more or less total creative control.

As I said before, you are free to believe that Disney is happy, in your own world.



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Teeqoz on 21 May 2016
Lawlight said:
Teeqoz said:

Disney also said Iron Man 3 was a phenomenal and smashing success, at a slightly lower budget and slightly lower (projected) box office take @Lawlight.

What makes a success isn't just down to budget and box office. It's down to expectations Disney has for each individual franchise, and each individual movie in that franchise.

EDIT: to further illustrate my point, Guardians of the Galaxy was considered a breakout hit and had what was considered an incredible run at the Box Office, at a budget of 170 million with a BO take of 770 million. If Civil War wants to have the same ratio between budget/BO, it needs 1132 million at the Box Office.

 

So clearly you can't just take expectations for one movie and randomly apply them to a different movie to pretend it flopped.

Iron Man 3 was considered as a phenomenal success because it had the same budget as Iron Man 2 but grossed twice as much.

As for Guardians, last I checked it didn't have RDJ or ScarJo so it has less to pay in terms of residuals. Also, if you want to use proportions, you need to add in the marketing budget as well.

Truth is plenty of sites including boxofficemojo and other boxoffice pundits were predicting a much higher opening for Civil War. $210-220M in fact, for the US.

Thanks for proving my point! Individual movies and franchises have different expectations for it, so you dragging in AoU's performance and what Disney thought about that is just silly. That was all I wanted to establish.



Lawlight on 21 May 2016
Teeqoz said:
Lawlight said:

Iron Man 3 was considered as a phenomenal success because it had the same budget as Iron Man 2 but grossed twice as much.

As for Guardians, last I checked it didn't have RDJ or ScarJo so it has less to pay in terms of residuals. Also, if you want to use proportions, you need to add in the marketing budget as well.

Truth is plenty of sites including boxofficemojo and other boxoffice pundits were predicting a much higher opening for Civil War. $210-220M in fact, for the US.

Thanks for proving my point! Individual movies and franchises have different expectations for it, so you dragging in AoU's performance and what Disney thought about that is just silly. That was all I wanted to establish.

Except this isn't an individual movie.



Teeqoz on 21 May 2016
Lawlight said:
Teeqoz said:

Thanks for proving my point! Individual movies and franchises have different expectations for it, so you dragging in AoU's performance and what Disney thought about that is just silly. That was all I wanted to establish.

Except this isn't an individual movie.

Are you telling me Civil War is multiple different movies at once? :-O



Lawlight on 21 May 2016
Teeqoz said:
Lawlight said:

Except this isn't an individual movie.

Are you telling me Civil War is multiple different movies at once? :-O

It's part of the Avengers series, not a movie that stands alone on its own.



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Teeqoz on 21 May 2016
Lawlight said:
Teeqoz said:

Are you telling me Civil War is multiple different movies at once? :-O

It's part of the Avengers series, not a movie that stands alone on its own.

It's part of the MCU, and the Captain America subseries of the MCU, not the Avengers subseries regardless of how long you try to say it is. It is still an individual movie though! ie. it is... a single movie... not... well... another movie, or multiple movies!



crissindahouse on 21 May 2016

The only thing Disney has to be "worried" about is too many superhero movies per year. It's already the fourth with X-Men this year and not everyone who likes superhero movies wants or can go to 10 different ones per year so that many will pick only a few of them who would see all of them with fewer releases.

I won't watch X-Men in the cinema but I would if I wouldn't have seen the other three this year there. It's just too much for me and for especially younger people probably also a money question.  Well, reviews aren't that good but I would still watch it...

But this is the same problem for all the other studios releasing these movies.




Leadified on 21 May 2016

Hey let's not resort to petty insults here, let's keep it civil, folks.



Darc Requiem on 21 May 2016
Lawlight said:
Teeqoz said:

Are you telling me Civil War is multiple different movies at once? :-O

It's part of the Avengers series, not a movie that stands alone on its own.

It's the third Captain America movie. It's called Captain America: Civil War. Captain America is the leader of the Avengers if they weren't present in the film, people would rightfully complain about that making no narrative sense. 



Runa216 on 22 May 2016
Acevil said:
Lawlight said:

Civil War is an Avengers movie - I know since I saw it yesterday. It even has the budget of one. You think Disney isn't worried, I think they are. We're both free to believe what we want.

Do you think Batman V Superman is Justice League movie? Here is the thing that I find fascinating with you, you harp on Disney so much, but do not notice the flaws of Warner Brothers. If you think for a second Warner Brothers does not want to be where Disney is at, and will be at, you are sadly mistaken. You can live in your own world, while Kevin makes a shit ton of bonus. 

Disney is happy with their output and happy to keep funding these movies, it doesn't matter if he believes or not. It's become clear he has no fucks to give about logic and rationality and numbers and facts and...you know, solid bottom line numbers.  He'll cherry pick facts and figures until he has an answer that suits his beliefs.  

Like, here's how the top 10 superhero movies of all time rank:

1 - The Avengers - 1,519 million
2 - Avengers: Age of Ultron - 1,405 million 
3 - Iron Man 3 - 1,215 million
4 - The Dark Knight Rises - 1,084 million
5 - The Dark Knight - 1,006 million
6 - Captain America: Civil War - 999 million
7 - Spider-Man 3 - 890 million
8 - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - 870 million
9 - Spider-Man - 821 Million
10 - Spider-Man 2 - 775 Million

Of that top 10 movies, 7 of them are Marvel movies.  Of the top ten, the ones Ranking, 1, 2, 3, and 6 are all Marvel Cinematic Universe entries (With it soon to be ranks 1, 2, 3, and 4).  The only movies to break the top ten from DC have batman in it, and Batman V Superman - WITH THe aid of 3D and a larger international fanbase - couldn't catch up with the Dark Knight and Rises.  

So yeah, by the end of Civil War's run, it'll look like this: 

1 - Marvel 
2 - Marvel
3 - Marvel
4 - Marvel
5 - DC
6 - DC
7 - Marvel
8 - DC
9 - Marvel
10 - Marvel

Face it, Marvel are just better at making movies than DC are.  The people have spoken, the critics have spoken!  It's not a mystery, Marvel (and in this case, Sony's first three Spider-Man movies) are just better at making movies, and that's why people like them.  There's no conspiracy, nobody's being bought off, there is no mass culture bias unless you count 'liking better movies' as being biased, in which case I welcome my own bias.  



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