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(Rumour) Rise of the Tomb Raider sells less than 200k in November (U.S.)

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Rob5VGC said:
PxlStorm said:
Who thought releasing this alongside Fallout 4 was a good idea?

"The challenge with Tomb Raider is if you go a week later you’re against Star Wars Battlefront, if you go a week earlier you’ll be against Call of Duty Black Ops 3 and if you go two weeks earlier you’re against Halo. And then you go late and then you’re like well, the consumer doesn’t have any money left to buy the game so there wasn’t a better scenario for us except that was the week it was not going head to head against Call of Duty or Star Wars Battlefront. We felt like the Fallout audience-they are not direct competitors per se, but you are right, it’s two big, big titles launching at the same time and we hope people will buy both.”

-Aaron Greenberg

http://egmr.net/2015/10/microsoft-chose-to-pit-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-against-fallout-4-instead-of-star-wars/

He has a point but in my opinion the moment Uncharted delayed they should have delayed Tomb Raider, the 'people have no money' argument doesn't wash once you get to Feb/March, and the original intent was for TR to go up against UC4. If they had done that I think it would have been a lot more successful, but obviously it would have excluded it from the 'greatest holiday line-up in Xbox history' shtick that MS based their holiday marketing around. 

End of the day, I worry that this has permanently damaged the TR franchise reboot. Look at most big franchises, it takes a few games to get it established. TR2013 was a great game, ROTR seems like an even better game, but if few people play it, then how much excitement/loyalty can SE count on for the sequel?



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Rob5VGC said:
PxlStorm said:
Who thought releasing this alongside Fallout 4 was a good idea?

"The challenge with Tomb Raider is if you go a week later you’re against Star Wars Battlefront, if you go a week earlier you’ll be against Call of Duty Black Ops 3 and if you go two weeks earlier you’re against Halo. And then you go late and then you’re like well, the consumer doesn’t have any money left to buy the game so there wasn’t a better scenario for us except that was the week it was not going head to head against Call of Duty or Star Wars Battlefront. We felt like the Fallout audience-they are not direct competitors per se, but you are right, it’s two big, big titles launching at the same time and we hope people will buy both.”

-Aaron Greenberg

http://egmr.net/2015/10/microsoft-chose-to-pit-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-against-fallout-4-instead-of-star-wars/

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    Synesthesia said:
    Maybe, just maybe... They should have been a little bit more worried about Fallout 4. :P

    Well it's pretty much more indication that the Tomb Raider timed exclusivity deal was one of the worst ideas ever. It didn't help Microsoft, it didn't help Square... It pissed allot of their fanbase off which coincidentally many if not the most are on a different system so they didn't even release it to where most their fans were. This may effect the budget of the next game and significantly alter the franchises future, but hey... They said they were not worried!

    The perfect storm of stupid is complete.

     

    Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  A Tomb Raider game not coming to Playstation is laughable!  (I mean it is, but you know what I mean).

    Don't worry, it will launch 1 year from now on PS4 with DLC on disc and sell 3x more on Playstation - and SE will never be this dumb again.



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    Eddie_Raja said:
    Synesthesia said:
    Maybe, just maybe... They should have been a little bit more worried about Fallout 4. :P

    Well it's pretty much more indication that the Tomb Raider timed exclusivity deal was one of the worst ideas ever. It didn't help Microsoft, it didn't help Square... It pissed allot of their fanbase off which coincidentally many if not the most are on a different system so they didn't even release it to where most their fans were. This may effect the budget of the next game and significantly alter the franchises future, but hey... They said they were not worried!

    The perfect storm of stupid is complete.

     

    Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  A Tomb Raider game not coming to Playstation is laughable!  (I mean it is, but you know what I mean).

    Don't worry, it will launch 1 year from now on PS4 with DLC on disc and sell 3x more on Playstation - and SE will never be this dumb again.

    Why is it so laughable that it launches first on another system?



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      Hiku said:

      I just want to assume? Let's take a look at our initial posts, and see who's making the unsubstantiated assumptions here.

      You: I dont know why people are so worked up about this. The series isnt in danger. MS likely covered the risks financially of going exclusive. Why else would it go exclusive?

      You proclaim that the series isn't in danger, before it even reached the neccesary sales for it to become successful. And then say it's 'likely' that MS took the full risk. Yeah, that's how business usually works. One company takes all the risks, when both have responsibilities for the outcome of the sales. Sure.

      Tomb Raider isnt in the same league as GTA, but MS didnt buy exclusivity of a complete GTA game. They bought DLC exclusivity.

      Point being that investing in a franchise that's among the best selling of all time, and that investment being paid back if the DLC has an 11% attach rate, is hardly a good example of taking big risks.

      You think they only need to sell 1.25 million units to make back a 50 million dollar investment? No. It wasnt 60 dollar DLC either.

      I said 'if 1,25 million people bought the DLC on X360', refering to both DLC episodes. $20 for each, meaning $40 for both. 40x1.25 = 50.
      That's around 11% of the userbase of the 360 version, according to this site. If that was indeed the deal, then Take Two must have expected more DLC sales than 1,25m. Otherwise there's the risk of them losing any profit.

      You're ignoring one important thing, what would motivate SE to go exclusive with Tomb Raider? The only logical answer is MS paid a ton of money. Going exclusive isn't worthwhile if they could potentially lose any money. Frankly, it doesn't even make sense. Rise of the Tomb Raider didn't need MS to make money, so MS must have paid a ton of money just to have it exclusively for a year.

      Selling 1.25 million units wouldn't cover $50 million though. $50 million in revenue is not profit. Doesn't matter, we can assume GTAIV DLC generated $50 million eventually.



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      Ouch..... Real bad decision from SE.



      AsGryffynn said:
      asqarkabab said:

      So that means that square shot themselves in the foot by making rotr one year exclusive on the bone

      No. They shot themselves in the head by releasing this during F4's release...

      Chris Hu said:

      LOL at these comments. I'm not saying it did great but it did far from terrible considering games that where launched around the same time. You want to see terrible numbers for a sequel then look up the numbers for Wii Fit U.

      Indeed...

      Madword said:
      There was that one guy who said TR would not be affected by FO4 sales....

      As for TR, it was obvious... I don't see the PS4/PC versions being able to rescue the mess they have created for themselves. I'll bite when it's sub £20 on ps4... so probably dec 16 price cut time

      He must've been drunk...

      hentaihinata said:
      MS killed Tomb Raider

      They also created IS, funded Trump's campaign and caused global warming... next, they will shoot your dog...

       

      Why is everybody giving so much weight to FO4 ?

      It sold most on steam so it has nothing to do with the abysmal performance of Tomb Raider



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      asqarkabab said:
      AsGryffynn said:
      asqarkabab said:

      So that means that square shot themselves in the foot by making rotr one year exclusive on the bone

      No. They shot themselves in the head by releasing this during F4's release...

      Chris Hu said:

      LOL at these comments. I'm not saying it did great but it did far from terrible considering games that where launched around the same time. You want to see terrible numbers for a sequel then look up the numbers for Wii Fit U.

      Indeed...

      Madword said:
      There was that one guy who said TR would not be affected by FO4 sales....

      As for TR, it was obvious... I don't see the PS4/PC versions being able to rescue the mess they have created for themselves. I'll bite when it's sub £20 on ps4... so probably dec 16 price cut time

      He must've been drunk...

      hentaihinata said:
      MS killed Tomb Raider

      They also created IS, funded Trump's campaign and caused global warming... next, they will shoot your dog...

       

      Why is everybody giving so much weight to FO4 ?

      It sold most on steam so it has nothing to do with the abysmal performance of Tomb Raider

      "It sold most on Steam" does not equal "it sold average on consoles"...

      The thing is a heavyweight when it comes to games and Greenberg said it himself. They thought it was too different to compete with F4, but they choose to release it in it's release date AND before Black Friday...

      Everyone had been telling them not to rush it like they did with the MCC, but they didn't care and released it anyways...





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        Gonna just say that Tomb Raider is in no danger. Big valuable name brand and when they go exclusive, both sides go in knowing the risk



        I dont understand why everyone blames SE, it was right as a bussiness move at the time in their view. Tombraider 2013 Sold way more on 360 than those numbers.
        I rather blame Xbox one owners, why havent they bought it more? I dont get it. Maybe Xbox One is more of a cheaper multiplat alternative for people, and without PS4 owners hying it up as well it didnt reached Xbox One owners like other mutiplats have