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zorg1000 on 29 November 2015
Nem said:
zorg1000 said:


"If this is really a new system, they have killed the Wii U about as early as SEGA killed the Saturn. What garantee will cosnumers have that they won't do it yet again once they aren't pleased with NX sales? Its the same exact thing that killed the Dreamcast"

U are clearly saying that replacing Saturn so soon was what killed consumer perception and caused the Dreamcast to fail.


By "as early as" i didnt say X years. I defined it as the ammount of time where consumers arent satisfied with whats on offer. This can vary from 1 year to 2,3,4,5,6, 10,20, etc. years, its irrelevant. It depends on the support that was offered to the system in that time. Whats relevant is wether consumers are satisfied and willing to buy a new system.

A system can be in the market for 10 years with the average of 1 game a year. Will anyone be happy at the end and willing to buy a new system from that manufacturer? They are probably not. Dont try to pass my argument as something as simple as X years = sucess or failure.


I don't see how anyone can say Nintendo didn't give Wii U adequate support

Nintendo Land

New Super Mario Bros. U

Sing Party

Lego City Undercover

Game & Wario

New Super Luigi U

Pikmin 3

Pokémon Rumble U

The Wonderful 101

Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD

Wii Party U

Mario & Sonic at the Sochi Winter Olympics

Super Mario 3D World

Dr. Luigi

NES Remix

Wii Fit U

Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

NES Remix 2

Mario Kart 8

Pushmo World

Wii Sports Club

Hyrule Warriors

Bayonetta 2

Super Smash Bros. for Wii U

Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker

Kirby and the Rainbow Curse

Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars

Mario Party 10

Splatoon

Art Academy: Home Studio

Super Mario Maker

Yoshi's Woolly World

Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water

Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival

Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash

Xenoblade Chronicles X

Devil's Third

Mario & Sonic at the Rio Summer Olympics

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD

Star Fox Zero

Pokken Tournament

Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem

The Legend of Zelda U

I'm sorry but if that support from one company over the course of 4 years isn't enough than u will likely never be pleased with Wii U.



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curl-6 on 29 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Agree, and thats why I said 2-3 years, not just one year like MM. And not impossible, ok they say NX Zelda will come in two years after Zelda U, and they delayed it for one year (very likely :)), thats 3 years, again time frame that I mentioned, 2-3 years.

Also its not just pulling MM with NX Zelda, its also that Nintendo will not have 2 completely different platforms like before, with NX they will have just one platform, so they will not make 2 difrent Zelda games in same time like this gen ALBW and Zelda U, or difrent remakes and ports for handheld and seperate for home console.

2 years for a AAA next gen title from a studio notorious for dragging its feet is about as likely as a diamond meteorite landing in your backyard.

Read carefully what I wrote.

So we are agreed that 2 years is impossible?



homer on 29 November 2015
Ljink96 said:
NX Backwards compatibility would render this dispute useless imo. Wii U owners can have their Zelda Wii U and NX owners can have it on BC.


That wasn't the case for Twilight Princess



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Miyamotoo on 30 November 2015
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Agree, and thats why I said 2-3 years, not just one year like MM. And not impossible, ok they say NX Zelda will come in two years after Zelda U, and they delayed it for one year (very likely :)), thats 3 years, again time frame that I mentioned, 2-3 years.

Also its not just pulling MM with NX Zelda, its also that Nintendo will not have 2 completely different platforms like before, with NX they will have just one platform, so they will not make 2 difrent Zelda games in same time like this gen ALBW and Zelda U, or difrent remakes and ports for handheld and seperate for home console.

2 years for a AAA next gen title from a studio notorious for dragging its feet is about as likely as a diamond meteorite landing in your backyard.

Read carefully what I wrote.

So we are agreed that 2 years is impossible?

Like I wrote first time, 2-3 years is definitely possible for another similar project like Zelda MM.



curl-6 on 30 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

So we are agreed that 2 years is impossible?

Like I wrote first time, 2-3 years is definitely possible for another similar project like Zelda MM.

Not 2. Not for a game on PS4/X1 level hardware, no way man.



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Miyamotoo on 30 November 2015
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Like I wrote first time, 2-3 years is definitely possible for another similar project like Zelda MM.

Not 2. Not for a game on PS4/X1 level hardware, no way man.

Do you realise that 3rd parties are making completely new AAA games in 2 years for PS4/X1, also we have so many almost yearly franchises for PS4/X1 like CoD or Assassin's Creed, so I can easy see Nintendo pulling again MM on NX and making new Zelda for NX in 2-3 years.



curl-6 on 30 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Not 2. Not for a game on PS4/X1 level hardware, no way man.

Do you realise that 3rd parties are making completely new AAA games in 2 years for PS4/X1, also we have so many almost yearly franchises for PS4/X1 like CoD or Assassin's Creed, so I can easy see Nintendo pulling again MM on NX and making new Zelda for NX in 2-3 years.

COD and Assassin's Creed may come out annually, but thye are not made in a year. For example, Treyarch has had 3 years since Black Ops 2 to make Black Ops 3. Similarly, Sledgehammer had 3 years since Modern Warfare 3 to make Advanced Warfare.



JGarret on 30 November 2015
Jumpin said:

I just hate the fact that it will be limited by the Wii U. Seems like a huge waste. It could have been the best game of all time.


This game seems massive, and maybe it was far enough into development for the Wii U before the execs at Nintendo realized the system was a sales dud, far enough that they wouldn´t scrap it in order to develop it solely for the NX..plus even if the Wii U´s install base is small, it´s never a good idea to piss off the fans since they had said over and over that it´d be coming to the Wii U.



Nem on 30 November 2015
zorg1000 said:
Nem said:


By "as early as" i didnt say X years. I defined it as the ammount of time where consumers arent satisfied with whats on offer. This can vary from 1 year to 2,3,4,5,6, 10,20, etc. years, its irrelevant. It depends on the support that was offered to the system in that time. Whats relevant is wether consumers are satisfied and willing to buy a new system.

A system can be in the market for 10 years with the average of 1 game a year. Will anyone be happy at the end and willing to buy a new system from that manufacturer? They are probably not. Dont try to pass my argument as something as simple as X years = sucess or failure.


I don't see how anyone can say Nintendo didn't give Wii U adequate support

 

*about 40 games list*

 

I'm sorry but if that support from one company over the course of 4 years isn't enough than u will likely never be pleased with Wii U.


Lots of those are shovelware. Not only that, but the system had hardly no support during the first year. You should compare it to how many games the PS4 and X1 have had in just 2 years.

Despite that, i think its undisputable that Nintendo got a bad cred with the Wii U. Just like Sony got with the PS3 early on.

The only way i know to get out of it that, is what Sony did with the PS3. Hang in there and keep supporting the system with great titles and presenting a very competent system that corresponds to the needs of the consumers.

Theres one other way, wich is what Nintendo did with the Wii after the gamecube, wich is to simply target the casual market.

 

Quite honestly i'm gonna tell you here what i think Nintendo should do if they wanted to have a competitive ground with the next system:

1- They stick with the Wii U until the end of the current gen. Keep renewing the portable business.

2- Get in touch with 3rd parties over what are their concerns and needs to ensure support (aka architecture that goes in the same way competitors are going).

3- Investigate and get feedback over wich features consumers find important and implement them in their network and new system.

4- Launch the system at the same time as the competitor at the beggining of next gen.

 

If they did that, and in direct comparison with their competitiors they would have a fighting chance (because they are the strongest first party).

Another off-cycle system that will be trumped 2-3 years in its life and after a system that was heavily criticised and whose support was unclear (especially since the shadow of the NX was cast) will fail 100% for sure if it has no casual market aimed gimmick.



zorg1000 on 30 November 2015
Nem said:
zorg1000 said:


I don't see how anyone can say Nintendo didn't give Wii U adequate support

 

*about 40 games list*

 

I'm sorry but if that support from one company over the course of 4 years isn't enough than u will likely never be pleased with Wii U.


Lots of those are shovelware. Not only that, but the system had hardly no support during the first year. You should compare it to how many games the PS4 and X1 have had in just 2 years.

Despite that, i think its undisputable that Nintendo got a bad cred with the Wii U. Just like Sony got with the PS3 early on.

The only way i know to get out of it that, is what Sony did with the PS3. Hang in there and keep supporting the system with great titles and presenting a very competent system that corresponds to the needs of the consumers.

Theres one other way, wich is what Nintendo did with the Wii after the gamecube, wich is to simply target the casual market.


Compared to N64/GC/Wii, it's a pretty similar output of solid games, so basically ur saying Nintendo home consoles haven't been adequately supported by Nintendo for 20 years.

Wii U is not comparable to PS3 in any way, PS3 sold about 8 million in its first year and steadily grew each year due to the price coming down and more games releasing. Wii U on the other hand has sold like 3 million each year despite Nintendo releasing some of their biggest franchises, it has shown no potential for growth.

Or they can start over and try again, Wii U is never going to be a success no matter how long they keep it on the market and support it, so there is no reason to drag it out longer that it has to.



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