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I hope there's a total clampdown, and the repatriation of all fake asylum seekers which I'm sure must be 80%+. If there's no strong evidence, they should be deported. Also, every effort should be made to send Islamic asylum seekers to other Muslim nations, not the West whom they appear to be at odds with.

Also, this total madness of rescuing sinking boats 2 miles of the coast of Libya, to then transport them all the way to Europe is utter madness! They should be swiftly took the 2 miles back to Libya.

Does it not make people cringe when they see so called Libyan / Syrian asylum seekers, and all they're presented with is 90% African males, many of whom will be radicalised.

Also, people need to understand that for every asylum seeker who's given EU citizenship, they can then bring all their family with them. The 1 million or so this year could easily equate to 4+ million when their families are brought over. Such vast numbers creates colonies of immigrants who then don't assimilate.

Saudi Arabia... They've took in no asylum seekers, their only input has been to say they'll fund the building of mosques throughout Europe so the new arrivals can pray. Does nobody see the sinister side to all of this??? Is this not alarming? Also, why aren't these fellow Arab states, whom are rich, held accountable for not welcoming their struggling Muslim brothers???



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forest-spirit said:
It'll put even more people on the 'Nay' side that's for sure. People want something to blame and the refugee crisis is such an easy target right now. I just hope that people aren't naive enough to believe that closing down borders will protect us from ISIS in any way.

Heck one could even argue that closing the boarders will have far reaching economic conciquences as it could eliminate the whole backpack across europe tourist industry as it would become significantly harder to do that with closed boarders. Would also affect how delivery would work between EU countries which could also hurt the economy but this claim is pure speculation.



SuaveSocialist said:
The refugees need to escape what's happening up there and the terrorist attacks don't change this. I imagine that nations will continue to let them in and simply adapt.

Muslims cannot adapt with western/European culture. Their religion and and our way of life aren't compatible.

 

EDIT: I'm sorry I think I might've misread your comment. Did you say that European nations will adapt to the Muslims? If that is the case then Europe will no longer be Europe.



Teeqoz said:
Qwark said:
It won't because Europe is a guard dog without teeth. It can bark but it can't invade Syria and end IS, nor can it close it boundaries. So as tolerant as we are we have to tolerate the ocassional terrorist attack. Extreme right might rise resulting in a not very suitable living space for muslims causing them yo leave which solves a part of the problem.


The exact opposite would happen. Extreme right movements and terrorist organisations need one another to recruit people. Muslims will be marginalized and badly treated by far righters, pushing them towards extremism, while terrorism will push westernes farther to the right. Extreme right movements are part of the problem here, not part of the solution.


Without the extreme right rising in Western Europe thousands of Western Muslims already joined IS. Extreme right can become a very powerful faction in Europe and one who doesn't concern more about geopolitics than the safety of there people. Don't be astounded if Extreme right factions become far more popular politic wise. This results in the given IS will be fought much harder on their grounds. But it will be a hard time for Muslims in the Western world.



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Qwark said:
Teeqoz said:


The exact opposite would happen. Extreme right movements and terrorist organisations need one another to recruit people. Muslims will be marginalized and badly treated by far righters, pushing them towards extremism, while terrorism will push westernes farther to the right. Extreme right movements are part of the problem here, not part of the solution.


Without the extreme right rising in Western Europe thousands of Western Muslims already joined IS. Extreme right can become a very powerful faction in Europe and one who doesn't concern more about geopolitics than the safety of there people. Don't be astounded if Extreme right factions become far more popular politic wise. This results in the given IS will be fought much harder on their grounds. But it will be a hard time for Muslims in the Western world.


What do you mean "without the extreme right wing rising"? The extreme right wing has been rising in the west for at least the past decade, probably more.

I have no doubt that extreme right will grow over the next few years, but I don't think that's a good thing, neither for westerners nor for muslims. I think it'll lead to more conflict, and yes, I think it'll even lead to more terrorism.



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Baryonyx said:

I served in Iraq. 

Not entire Syria is a dangerous place, only the war zones in Syria. 

Iraq and Afghanistan refugee's have been coming for years. So why are thousands of refugee's assaulting cities, breaking into people's homes and terrorize people every damn City they passed on their way to Europe... Do you know how many countries there are in the middle-east that isn't in a war? A real refugee would be grateful enough to end up somewhere nice but yet they aim for germany, sweden, Norway and Finland after ignoring over 15 countries that offered them safety. I say you should start looking deeper into it. 

 

There is plenty of videos of these refugee's running through cities, attacking people and so on. The real refugee's are the ones you see with families, because why leave them behind?

 

Would you leave your Brother, sister or children in a place so horrible as you claim? I wouldn't.

Again, it's dangerous in the war zones, but its not as esculated in Syria as you claim it is. It's like you claim it's horrible all over Syria. 

 

USA better stop funding ISIS so that we can send them back 

Thank you for your service.

Yep I agree. Probably 30% of the "refugees" are acutally families fleeing war. Most of them are young men who are seeking a better life in economically sound countries, full of benefits like Sweden, Denmark and Germany which would make them immigrants. And as you said, most of them are ungrateful and steal from the Europeans who are kind enough to welcome them in with open arms.



Teeqoz said:
Qwark said:


Without the extreme right rising in Western Europe thousands of Western Muslims already joined IS. Extreme right can become a very powerful faction in Europe and one who doesn't concern more about geopolitics than the safety of there people. Don't be astounded if Extreme right factions become far more popular politic wise. This results in the given IS will be fought much harder on their grounds. But it will be a hard time for Muslims in the Western world.


What do you mean "without the extreme right wing rising"? The extreme right wing has been rising in the west for at least the past decade, probably more.

I have no doubt that extreme right will grow over the next few years, but I don't think that's a good thing, neither for westerners nor for muslims. I think it'll lead to more conflict, and yes, I think it'll even lead to more terrorism.


I think a more right aproach in politics due to the higher involvement, will lead to a stronger Europe. Let's not forget how Al Queda was brought down. It wasn't by tolerance and mutual respect, it was made possible by brave man who eridicated the source, killing the leaders one by one.

 

If a country/culture wants to be free it needs to be strong enough to defend that freedom and stand by their own morals and laws. Saying people should limit their freedom of speach to not insult like in Denmark is exactly what makes Europe lacking compared to the US. The uncertain social institute full of half comprimises that pleases nobody is what Europe has become it isn't strong or unified. It is weak and shattered. It's why thousands of Western muslims leave to IS And many immigrants want to go to Germany, England, Sweden and France. Every "refugee" wants to be safe but only in a very rich country.

 

What Europe needs is a strong preferably right coalition which wants to handle the problem at the source. Which is out there, not within our cities or in refugeecamps. Firstly they need to move the refugeecamps to the Middle East and invest in those camps. After that they need to show some balls and destroy IS, be the Middle party between US and Russia with the intention to make Syria and Iraq safe and destroy IS. Which is what our right front is taking about for quite a while, yet lack the votes to make it happen.  

 

Which is why the right party needs to rise, but the right party needs an issue to rise this is one. In a matter of speach it is the same reason why people like Donald Trump are popular. People are sick of the tolerance forced upon them, especially when their freedom, way of live and safety is in danger.

 

A more right and strong Europe is in my eyes te sollution because no matter what and how many we will give our muslims, houses, jobs, education, healthcare. Terrorism by foreign parties will live on, because their will always be those who hate us. But on such a scenario I would rather have a strong and an acting government which solves problems than one who thinks toleration and mutual respect is Key to erase terror.



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Well polands leader has already said they're no longer going no to accept their share of refugees because of this attack. I'm from the UK and as bad as it sounds I completely agree with him. It's just far to big of a risk, Isis are not just rebels, they're an army and organisation that has ALOT of money to fund their sick actions, they would of seen this mass refugee movement as the perfect opputunity to get there own terrorist spread around Europe, it's just too much of a risk. Aswell as spreading Isis members around Europe I'm sure Isis would of also paid these desperate refugees to smuggled weapons across into Europe aswell in which the already radicalised Muslims over here wound then be armed.
Many people predicted that something like this might happen now Europe has let all these unknown Syrian refugees into Europe and now it's happened, what's worrying is how fast it has happened and the scale of it.
Some people criticise Putin for some of his actions but he also speaks a lot of sense sometimes, his recent speech about Russia and their policy of refugees I completely agree with. He said, it's a shortened simplified version but he basically said this.

" In Russia, lives Russians, any minorities wanting to move here, work here, live here should be able to speak Russian. They should also respect out laws and our culture. If yo want sharia law then move to a country that has sharia law. They will not then be granted any special privileges or try to change our way of life to suit theres, you wanted to move here so adapt."

I know some people might say, that's too harsh it's not fair its prejudice to other beliefs, but he's said it how it is. Just like in Abu Dhabi you are not allowed to drink alcohol and you're not allowed to kiss in public, and show too much flesh, you do this you get arrested and charged and many even a little time in a cell as it goes against there beliefs and way of life.

So like I say I'm from the UK and I don't want to accept any of these refugees, not one, I'm sad for their situation but it's too much of a risk and could threaten the way we live our lives if attacks happen.



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Qwark said:
Teeqoz said:


What do you mean "without the extreme right wing rising"? The extreme right wing has been rising in the west for at least the past decade, probably more.

I have no doubt that extreme right will grow over the next few years, but I don't think that's a good thing, neither for westerners nor for muslims. I think it'll lead to more conflict, and yes, I think it'll even lead to more terrorism.


I think a more right aproach in politics due to the higher involvement, will lead to a stronger Europe. Let's not forget how Al Queda was brought down. It wasn't by tolerance and mutual respect, it was made possible by brave man who eridicated the source, killing the leaders one by one.


See, you're proving my point. We stopped Al Qaeda, but did we stop terror? No. And trust me, even if we were to kill of all ISIS leaders, we still wouldn't stop terror. It's a short sighted "solution" that in reality doesn't solve anything, just slightly, if at all, postpone problems.



Teeqoz said:
Qwark said:


I think a more right aproach in politics due to the higher involvement, will lead to a stronger Europe. Let's not forget how Al Queda was brought down. It wasn't by tolerance and mutual respect, it was made possible by brave man who eridicated the source, killing the leaders one by one.


See, you're proving my point. We stopped Al Qaeda, but did we stop terror? No. And trust me, even if we were to kill of all ISIS leaders, we still wouldn't stop terror. It's a short sighted "solution" that in reality doesn't solve anything, just slightly, if at all, postpone problems.


Terror will never stop it's naive thinking it ever will. But after accepting this you can do 2 things, tolerate it like with the attacks in Denmark and on Charlie. Or you can act and at least minimalise the attacks.

It is often a wrong tought many IS fighters where forced out by Western Europeans. Because IS has many Western muslims which followed an education at an university and where among the higher social classes. So no matter how tolerant you are terror will always be a thread, the size merely depends on how you handle situations like this. Killing the leaders will focus the fight on their grounds not within our cities. 

 

Utimately the religion itself needs to change like Christianity once did. But until that time one can only keep the threat as lowrisc as possible. For which you need to act and not stand by and take half measures.



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