Wii was unique and weak and that's why 3rd parties ditched it. Nintendo managed to get away with it once, but fails to repeat that, cause it's not a viable long term strategy.

I'm not saying being weak and unique is the ONLY reason, so you don't have to list other things Nintendo messed up. But there is no argument that lack of power isn't one of the biggest mistake. I mean, look at PS3. Sony messed up just as bad, if not even worse at the start. But due to PS3 being the most powerful console, they managed to turn things around.

High price - look, even you're doing it. You are comparing Wii U with PS360! You're saying it was $100 more expensive than PS360! Why? Cause it was that weak that nobody felt the next gen vibe! Nobody is doing that with PS4/Xbone, cause they are undeniably next gen. Wii U was like "Hey Nintendo, welcome to 2008". We still get cross-gen games, but nobody is saying "PS4 isn't worth $400, you can play CoD on PS360 for $200!". Cause the extra power makes for a different experience. Wii U failed here big time.

And that resulted in 3rd party games not being enticing for consumers. There was no jump! 3rd party games are the best solution for software droughts - just look at PS4 and Xbone. They would be in an even worse condition than Wii U without 3rd parties, but thanks to them they are rocking.

The same game looking better is better than the same game looking worse. Period. The power jump is one of the major elements when it comes to new generation in consoles, it's also the easiest one to show to a customer. Deal with it and keep those lame arguments for yourself. Better power doesn't exclude other improvements in any other areas. It's only a positive thing.

And I've said PS3 had a ridiculous architecture and mentioned the problems it caused, so can't see why you're pointing that out? It was a mistake that Sony learned upon and corrected with the PS4. Sony reacted. Nintendo is stubborn and arrogantly ignores what is happening on the market - so the market bit back. Karma.

Your problem is that you refuse to accept that what you consider "reasons" can still be reduced to underlying more basic reasons. And a huge part of Wii U's problems stems from it being so underpowered. Obviously the main problem is that the casual crowd left home consoles for smart devices. But then the other problem is that weak and 3rd party unfriendly Wii U had very little to offer for the regular gamers that are left on the market. Questionable marketing is just icing on the cake.

Well 3DS is also weak..

No I dont think power is problem at all for Wii U, I am certain that even stronger Wii U wouldnt change anything, but on other hand only with normal marketing and name with smaller price Wii U would be done much better. Only real problem for PS3 was high price nothing else.

Of Course that I comparing Wii U with PS3/Xbox 360 because they were only consoles on market when Wii U arived and everybody compared Wii U with them and Wii U basicly died in first year. Nobody expect Nintendo fans wanted to give $100 more for Wii U because games looked and played similar, so Wii U clearly didnt worth $100 more than PS3/Xbox360. It not power, its price, power wouldnt change anything but lower price would change lotsa a things with right marketing, Nintendo is always looking to have very aforidible consoles but with Wii U they totally failed.

No, 3rd party abandon Wii U after terrible Wii U sales, we are still have much stronger 3rd support for PS3/Xbox360 than for Wii U. Of Course that PS4/Xbox One probably would be in worse situation than Wii U without 3rd party because people mostly buy those platforms for 3rd party games.

Actually jump from Wii to Wii U was huge jump, just look all those great looking Wii U games.

My point is that you said that problem for Wii U also was unique architecture, but also PS3 had very unique architecture. Nintendo will also correct that problem with NX.

No, your problem is that you think power was big problem for Wii U , but in fact that wouldn't change anything because there other much bigger mistakes that Nintendo made. Wii HD (with proper marketing) without gamepad and with $250 price would done much better than Wii U, not to mention other Nintendo mistakes that I already mentioned.

Also, guess what, NX will probably be underpowerd compare to PS4/XboxOne, but Nintendo will correct Wii U mistakes like bad name and marketing, it will have affordable price (around $250), good launch titles, probably better new concept/gimmick than gamepad, more user friendly architecture, because it will be unified platform it want be software drought like with Wii U....and will sell much better than Wii U even again will be underpowered.

@Bold - you are aware you're making no sense here, right? The games looked the same as on PS360, so the console was overpriced, but if the console was more powerful and the games looked better it wouldn't make any difference. WTF? So why does it make a massive difference for PS4/Xbone? When PS4/Xbone entered the market, PS360 were on the market as well and it wasn't a problem for these consoles, despite people comparing multiplats between these consoles as well. When people pay this much money, they want to see what they are paying for. PS4/Xbone shows them immediately what they have paid for, while Wii U? You honestly think it's more about price than lack of power? In other words, people would be willing to pay a bit less to get the same experience they already get on their PS360? I highly doubt that. Why would they feel the need to pay to get something they already have?

3rd parties abandoned Wii U for a number of reasons and lack of power and different architecture are among them. You can't deny simple, obvious facts only because they don't suit you.

Jump from Wii to Wii U... the thing is, nearly nobody was making that jump with Nintendo. Wii casuals left home console gaming and gamers who owned Wii also owned a PS360 or a  PC. This is a business and it's the point of view of the customers that matters, not the one of the company. And Wii U was only a jump for Nintendo, not for the gamers.

@PS3 having a different architecture - read my piece on it in my previous post. It was a different market, a different time and games had a different budget. And it was a problem even back then. PS3 got worse ports very often, it didn't get some games at all (Witcher 2 for example - CD Project RED officially said they didn't plan any future games in that gen, so there was no point in learning how to write the game on PS3 and its ridiculous architecture). The market changed a lot since the PS2, Sony is changing with it, Nintendo isn't. If Nintendo remains so arrogantly stubborn, it will be b!tchslapped again. Nobody in the industry needs Nintendo anymore, so nobody is going to care about their weird shenanigans.

I know Nintendo made many mistakes. You really aren't discovering America when telling me, that a console for $250 would sell better, then the same console costing $350 (and lets not forget it's this expensive because Nintendo are cheap bastards by default). But saying that power was never an issue in one paragraph and then giving examples of it being a very important factor (games looking previous-gen) you make no sense. And it's inevitable, because power is an issue in this business. It is one of the main issues, not the only one - the ones you list are important as well, but power is important. If you think it doesn't matter, then please tell me what other innovation of the PS4 was so incredible that the console is setting charts on fire at $400? What else makes it wipe the floor with Wii U and Xbone? Is it Knack?

You know as much about NX as I do - nothing. I've heard way too many times that "Nintendo has learned its lesson". They supposedly learned it with the 3DS and made sure there would be no droughts with the Wii U. We know how that turned out... So when it comes to Nintendo, I'll believe it, when I see it. When it comes to home consoles Nintendo just isn't Sony, you can't just buy their console and be 100% sure you're covered. That's the heritage Sony and Nintendo gained in the previous gen. I for one hope Nintendo takes a few pages from the company that manhandles them for the majority of the last two decades (in home consoles) and is set to do that in the upcoming years. It would be humiliating to release a console 3 years after PS4 and still make it inferior - after all, PS4 is no technological marvel. With technology advancing, they can get something more powerful yet competitively priced and they have to take advantage of it, or the PS4 will steamroll two Nintendo home consoles in one generation.

Of Course it wouldn't make any difference because Wii U had bigger problems than power. Its was  not problem for PS4/Xbox One because games games for them looked better and console had higher price than PS3/Xbox360, but Wii U games looked same but had console had higher price, that was problem, price. Well people didn't had Nintendo HD games on PS3/Xbox 360 so not exactly same experience, but they already had HD consoles for $100 less, again that was problem.

No, 3rd start to abandon Wii U after terrible Wii U sales in first year, Wii U initially had solid 3rd party support and that is a fact, I don't denying anything.

We already know that NX will have x86 or ARM arhitecuture. And yes industry needs Nintendo because there's nobody like Nintendo out there and they still one of the best games on market, pure quality and high polished.

Wii U had high price because of gamepad. PS4/Xbox One are identical consoles with similar experience, only difference is power and few exclusives, so its logical when you have two similar consoles you will choose better solution. Wii U is much different console in any way, similar like Wii was different than PS3/Xbox 360, saying that, nothing would change even if Wii U was stronger than PS4 because Wii U had much bigger problems than power.

Well I know what Nintendo all said about new platform and what we can expect, also all they announcments and talkes are saying that they will not repeat Wii U games. Problem with 3DS was that had bad launch and Nintendo invest huge effort to save it, that certainly affect on Wii U, they realised they can't no more support two completely different platforms in same time and that why they unifying platforms. Well with Nintendo you are 100% certain you will have at least full Nintendo support at least for 3-4 years, Sony abandons Vita after 2 years.

"It would be humiliating to release a console 3 years after PS4 and still make it inferior - after all", this sounds very funy beacuse we all know for Wii. Nintendo does not planning to compete with power, they want new and different things than those that are on market, with NX they probably want something new and different like Wii was, and thats good, we dont need to 3 identical consoles on market.

Sometimes I really wonder what Nintendo has done with the Wii/DS money, because they  cleary didn't invest it back in software development

Well they still have billions in banks.

Lets see what nintendo does 2016
Im waiting for e3 to see more

But they have way less than what we could expect. I think it is because they were investing on some companies and new buildings.

Because it will need some space in the console that could be used to boost power of the console. Also, Nintendo will be confident on tha backlog rather than developing new games faster.

But the NX will need that backlog. If they had problems developing at a decent speed for the WiiU, imagine how developing for a stronger system and making it compatible for a hybrid system. We'll see a NX backwards compatible phisical or digital, or at the very least a  WiiU Virtual Console, with all the WiiU games avalible from the start.