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KLAMarine said:
MoHasanie said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Lol she just got a new job. I sure as hell wouldn't be depressed in a place that was cheaper to live in where I possibly made more money. It's a bonus that involved education.

I'm not sure because I haven't been following the story closely, but there was video where she said she suffered from depression and PTSD.

She has had a history of battling depression and PTSD. Here's video I believe you were referring to: https://www.facebook.com/sandra.bland.5070/videos/vb.73304051/10100583474040874/?type=2&theater

Yes, it was that video. She was probably on anti depressants. There are many sides effects to those types drugs. 



    

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While the whole situation still seems pretty messed up, here's a portion of the story that gets completely ignored: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Suburban-Woman-Found-Dead-in-Jail-Had-Previous-Encounters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3geb6z8s6
-She owes over $7k in traffic related fines dating all the way back to February 2014.
-She has had warrants against her in the past for unknown reasons.
-She has numerous fines related to driving without insurance.
-She received a DUI (which by itself doesn't make you a horrible person...I know people with them, but the track record speaks for itself)
All I'm getting at is...if I were to see this as a cop, quite frankly, I'd probably be a dick to the lady too. She is a low life that doesn't respect the law.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention. Even though it isn't why she was arrested, the lady deserved to be in jail until she decides to live up to her mistakes in life and pay her damned fines in a reasonable amount of time. I mean, seriously.



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Baalzamon said:

While the whole situation still seems pretty messed up, here's a portion of the story that gets completely ignored: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Suburban-Woman-Found-Dead-in-Jail-Had-Previous-Encounters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3geb6z8s6
-She owes over $7k in traffic related fines dating all the way back to February 2014.
-She has had warrants against her in the past for unknown reasons.
-She has numerous fines related to driving without insurance.
-She received a DUI (which by itself doesn't make you a horrible person...I know people with them, but the track record speaks for itself)
All I'm getting at is...if I were to see this as a cop, quite frankly, I'd probably be a dick to the lady too. She is a low life that doesn't respect the law.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention. Even though it isn't why she was arrested, the lady deserved to be in jail until she decides to live up to her mistakes in life and pay her damned fines in a reasonable amount of time. I mean, seriously.

It's just WAY to predictable that the demonization of the victim would happen almost immediately.  None of this information has anything to do with what happened.  It just makes people feel better about it after the fact.

And for those saying she escalated things, get a f*%king clue.

Below is a transcript of the key part of the exchange.  Bland is completely calm and polite right up until the cop asks here to get out of the car, apparently (and unbelievably) because she asked why she had to put out her cigarrette.  When the officer says "Are you done?" like a condescending POS, it was obvious he was going to escalate the situation, which he did shortly afterwards.

(Encinia returns to his car for several minutes, then approaches Bland again.)

Encinia: OK, ma’am. (Pause.) You OK?

Bland: I’m waiting on you. This is your job. I’m waiting on you. When’re you going to let me go?

Encinia: I don’t know, you seem very really irritated.

Bland: I am. I really am. I feel like it’s crap what I’m getting a ticket for. I was getting out of your way. You were speeding up, tailing me, so I move over and you stop me. So yeah, I am a little irritated, but that doesn’t stop you from giving me a ticket, so.

Encinia: Are you done?

Bland: You asked me what was wrong, now I told you.

Encinia: OK.

Bland: So now I’m done, yeah.

Encinia: You mind putting out your cigarette, please? If you don’t mind?

Bland: I’m in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?

Encinia: Well you can step on out now.



d21lewis said:
People who "know their rights" are very dangerous. And it's not because they know their rights, either. It's because they believe some misinformation that they saw on YouTube or some law that doesn't exist in their area.

Pretty much this. When a cop pulls you over, you gotta follow their orders otherwise they can press further charges on you.

I should point out I'm not a legal expert though but that's what I'm getting out of articles like this one: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sandra-bland-arrest-experts-20150722-story.html#page=1

I have a question, hopefully you can answer it: when Sandra is asking Trooper Brian why she's being taken to jail or why she's being taken out of her car, is he obligated to answer? I've tried looking for an answer online unsuccessfully.

whatever said:

And for those saying she escalated things, get a f*%king clue.

Below is a transcript of the key part of the exchange.  Bland is completely calm and polite right up until the cop asks here to get out of the car, apparently (and unbelievably) because she asked why she had to put out her cigarrette.  When the officer says "Are you done?" like a condescending POS, it was obvious he was going to escalate the situation, which he did shortly afterwards.

(Encinia returns to his car for several minutes, then approaches Bland again.)

Encinia: OK, ma’am. (Pause.) You OK?

Bland: I’m waiting on you. This is your job. I’m waiting on you. When’re you going to let me go?

Encinia: I don’t know, you seem very really irritated.

Bland: I am. I really am. I feel like it’s crap what I’m getting a ticket for. I was getting out of your way. You were speeding up, tailing me, so I move over and you stop me. So yeah, I am a little irritated, but that doesn’t stop you from giving me a ticket, so.

Encinia: Are you done?

Bland: You asked me what was wrong, now I told you.

Encinia: OK.

Bland: So now I’m done, yeah.

Encinia: You mind putting out your cigarette, please? If you don’t mind?

Bland: I’m in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?

Encinia: Well you can step on out now.

Don't pretend that Bland didn't play a role in escalating things, the officer wasn't alone.



KLAMarine said:

Pretty much this. When a cop pulls you over, you gotta follow their orders otherwise they can press further charges on you.

I should point out I'm not a legal expert though but that's what I'm getting out of articles like this one: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sandra-bland-arrest-experts-20150722-story.html#page=1

I have a question, hopefully you can answer it: when Sandra is asking Trooper Brian why she's being taken to jail or why she's being taken out of her car, is he obligated to answer? I've tried looking for an answer online unsuccessfully.


From what I've gathered, there is no Federal Rule that requires the police to say why you are being arrested but there, on rare occasion, seems to be rules in certain areas

http://volokh.com/2012/09/26/no-the-officer-doesnt-have-to-tell-you-why-he-is-arresting-you/



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sundin13 said:
KLAMarine said:

Pretty much this. When a cop pulls you over, you gotta follow their orders otherwise they can press further charges on you.

I should point out I'm not a legal expert though but that's what I'm getting out of articles like this one: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sandra-bland-arrest-experts-20150722-story.html#page=1

I have a question, hopefully you can answer it: when Sandra is asking Trooper Brian why she's being taken to jail or why she's being taken out of her car, is he obligated to answer? I've tried looking for an answer online unsuccessfully.


From what I've gathered, there is no Federal Rule that requires the police to say why you are being arrested but there, on rare occasion, seems to be rules in certain areas

http://volokh.com/2012/09/26/no-the-officer-doesnt-have-to-tell-you-why-he-is-arresting-you/

Ah, I see. Thank you. Just found this one as well. It's a blog though so not sure how correct it might be.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/10/do-police-have-to-inform-you-of-your-charges.html

In the video, Sandra regularly questions Trooper Brian and I was wondering if he was obligated to answer. He first informs her she was under arrest at around 10:05. She starts to ask why she was under arrest. Apparently he didn't have to answer that.



KLAMarine said:

In the video, Sandra regularly questions Trooper Brian and I was wondering if he was obligated to answer. He first informs her she was under arrest at around 10:05. She starts to ask why she was under arrest. Apparently he didn't have to answer that.


Yeah, like someone said earlier, a citizen who "knows their rights" is a frightening thing, because often times, the notions they hold in their brain don't paint the clearest picture of reality.



AnthonyW86 said:
 

They are payed by taxes and that's why people need to COOPERATE and not waste an officers time. And the woman clearly has an attitude, that's why the officer asked her if there was a problem. And even while he just wanted to give her a warning she assumed she was getting fined.

 

Here in The Netherlands police are much softer, and in a lot of cases they can be. But they also can't do much against people bad mouthing and dissrespecting them. It has lead to a situation where more and more people have ZERO respect for the police and badmouth them whenever it suits them. Making their job harder.

Is that a new thing? I grew up in the Netherlands but haven't lived there since 2002. Growing up the police came to school to explain their jobs and basically befriend the new generation. Is that no longer done? I don't remember any disrespect from my generation, well except at soccer matches which seem to be an excuse for anarchy.

I do remember a case of someone dying in a police cell in Amsterdam which was a big issue. Once you incarcerate someone, you're responsible for their well being. Suicide or not, the police is still responsible for her death.

The police weren't soft either lol. I was at a demonstration in The Hague to do with education policies in 1993. Almost got hit by a ME van backing up at high speed.  Ah the good old days. Got to protect parliament from those dangerous 18 year olds.

That incident did lower respect for the police a lot.



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Scary stuff. Goodbye America, it was nice knowing you.



 

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This white man disrespects police officers all the time and he's alive to tell the story. If a black man tried to do this they would put 80 bullets in him and the cops would say they feared for their life. White people you have it good man and you don't even know how good you have it. LMAO