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KLAMarine on 28 July 2015
method114 said:
KLAMarine said:
whatever said:

That was why I said "Nothing Bland did up until he asked her to get out of the car was in any way an escalation."

There was no reason for the officer to ask her to get out of the car.  None.  It's bad policing, period.  He should at a minimum be fired.

So may I ask you at what moments did Sandra play her role in escalating things further?

I don't know his answer but I would assume it's when she didn't want to get out. I understand cops have the right to legally ask you to get out of the car. My problem is using the law to punish people further because they aren't doing the things you want them to do but have no legal right to force them to do. Cops are constatnly doing this and it's constantly causing issues like this and a ton more. If cops would stop taking things so personally and just do their damn job things would be so much better.

Considering it's mandatory that one exit their vehicle when ordered to do so during a traffic stop, I imagine necessary force can be exercised.

I'm not a lawyer though so I could very well be wrong.



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TheBlackNaruto on 28 July 2015
Baalzamon said:
whatever said:

Encinia: You mind putting out your cigarette, please? If you don’t mind?

Bland: I’m in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?

Seems to me like he was asking her a respectful question. She was then a complete bitch about it, at which point he had her get out of the car. The officer was far from the only one escalating the situation.

Whether or not she is legally required to put the cigarette out is besides the point. It is called basic respect, and I learned it when I was a little kid. She needs to grow the hell up.

Lets also make it clear that he very likely looked up her record when he returned to his car, so at this point in the discussion, he is already fully aware that she is a complete piece of garbage, and really wants nothing to do with her sassy attitude about the situation.

Where in her record do you think it showed her as a "complete piece of garbage"? Because she has a sassy attitude? Is that what made her a complete piece of garbage? Because she was irritated about being pulled over? Is that it? Where did you pull her being a complete piece of garbage from? I normally stay out of things like this but this statement was kind of out there.

I will say this I think the situation was handled poorly by the officer and by Bland at the stop at the point where he asked her to get out of the car. A bad mouth and attitude is what you deal with in tha tline wof work daily...can't let it all get to you. Heck I dealt with it when I worked at K-mart, I dealt with it when I was a customer service rep with AT&T and I deal with it still now as  Human Resource employee with AT&T. It just comes with dealing with people... But the one thing I don't agree with is I do not think she hung herself....that part I just don't beleive.



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TheBlackNaruto on 28 July 2015
Baalzamon said:

While the whole situation still seems pretty messed up, here's a portion of the story that gets completely ignored: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Suburban-Woman-Found-Dead-in-Jail-Had-Previous-Encounters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3geb6z8s6
-She owes over $7k in traffic related fines dating all the way back to February 2014.
-She has had warrants against her in the past for unknown reasons.
-She has numerous fines related to driving without insurance.
-She received a DUI (which by itself doesn't make you a horrible person...I know people with them, but the track record speaks for itself)
All I'm getting at is...if I were to see this as a cop, quite frankly, I'd probably be a dick to the lady too. She is a low life that doesn't respect the law.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention. Even though it isn't why she was arrested, the lady deserved to be in jail until she decides to live up to her mistakes in life and pay her damned fines in a reasonable amount of time. I mean, seriously.

So some trafiic fines makes makes you a low life....wow......

The traffic fine system in Amaerica is another discussion in itself because it is broken beyond belief.....



The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence...

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method114 on 29 July 2015
KLAMarine said:
method114 said:
KLAMarine said:
whatever said:

That was why I said "Nothing Bland did up until he asked her to get out of the car was in any way an escalation."

There was no reason for the officer to ask her to get out of the car.  None.  It's bad policing, period.  He should at a minimum be fired.

So may I ask you at what moments did Sandra play her role in escalating things further?

I don't know his answer but I would assume it's when she didn't want to get out. I understand cops have the right to legally ask you to get out of the car. My problem is using the law to punish people further because they aren't doing the things you want them to do but have no legal right to force them to do. Cops are constatnly doing this and it's constantly causing issues like this and a ton more. If cops would stop taking things so personally and just do their damn job things would be so much better.

Considering it's mandatory that one exit their vehicle when ordered to do so during a traffic stop, I imagine necessary force can be exercised.

I'm not a lawyer though so I could very well be wrong.

Your right but what one  CAN do and what one SHOULD do are two different things. For instance it's legal for the cops to take 10,000 dollars from me if they pull me over. I then have to go to court and prove I earned this money legitmately. The cops have the right to do this but should they be doing this? My answer is no it's only further destroying the trust between the cops and the community (something many cops have said the drug war did as well).

There were numerous laws against blacks that later had to be over turned. My point is that simply having the legal right to do something does not make it morally right. 



KLAMarine on 29 July 2015
method114 said:
KLAMarine said:

Considering it's mandatory that one exit their vehicle when ordered to do so during a traffic stop, I imagine necessary force can be exercised.

I'm not a lawyer though so I could very well be wrong.

Your right but what one  CAN do and what one SHOULD do are two different things. For instance it's legal for the cops to take 10,000 dollars from me if they pull me over. I then have to go to court and prove I earned this money legitmately. The cops have the right to do this but should they be doing this? My answer is no it's only further destroying the trust between the cops and the community (something many cops have said the drug war did as well).

There were numerous laws against blacks that later had to be over turned. My point is that simply having the legal right to do something does not make it morally right. 

I'm sorry but where are you getting this from? Based on what I've read, police can't search your car nor search your person during a traffic stop. They can pat you down in search of weapons but they can't stick a hand into your pocket.

 

btw, what are you doing carrying 10,000 dollars in cash?



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TheBlackNaruto on 29 July 2015
KLAMarine said:
method114 said:

Your right but what one  CAN do and what one SHOULD do are two different things. For instance it's legal for the cops to take 10,000 dollars from me if they pull me over. I then have to go to court and prove I earned this money legitmately. The cops have the right to do this but should they be doing this? My answer is no it's only further destroying the trust between the cops and the community (something many cops have said the drug war did as well).

There were numerous laws against blacks that later had to be over turned. My point is that simply having the legal right to do something does not make it morally right. 

I'm sorry but where are you getting this from? Based on what I've read, police can't search your car nor search your person during a traffic stop. They can pat you down in search of weapons but they can't stick a hand into your pocket.

 

btw, what are you doing carrying 10,000 dollars in cash?

It is actually illegal to carry more than 10,000 on you in cash without some purpose or proof that it was legally earned. Why I have no clue but I do know it is illegal and if the cop chooses the money can be confiscated and you have to go to court to prove the money is not illegal and get it back...

Also you are correct without probable cause a cop can not search your or your car without your consent.



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KLAMarine on 29 July 2015
TheBlackNaruto said:
KLAMarine said:

I'm sorry but where are you getting this from? Based on what I've read, police can't search your car nor search your person during a traffic stop. They can pat you down in search of weapons but they can't stick a hand into your pocket.

btw, what are you doing carrying 10,000 dollars in cash?

It is actually illegal to carry more than 10,000 on you in cash without some purpose or proof that it was legally earned. Why I have no clue but I do know it is illegal and if the cop chooses the money can be confiscated and you have to go to court to prove the money is not illegal and get it back...

Also you are correct without probable cause a cop can not search your or your car without your consent.

It pays to know your rights.



method114 on 29 July 2015
KLAMarine said:
method114 said:
KLAMarine said:

Considering it's mandatory that one exit their vehicle when ordered to do so during a traffic stop, I imagine necessary force can be exercised.

I'm not a lawyer though so I could very well be wrong.

Your right but what one  CAN do and what one SHOULD do are two different things. For instance it's legal for the cops to take 10,000 dollars from me if they pull me over. I then have to go to court and prove I earned this money legitmately. The cops have the right to do this but should they be doing this? My answer is no it's only further destroying the trust between the cops and the community (something many cops have said the drug war did as well).

There were numerous laws against blacks that later had to be over turned. My point is that simply having the legal right to do something does not make it morally right. 

I'm sorry but where are you getting this from? Based on what I've read, police can't search your car nor search your person during a traffic stop. They can pat you down in search of weapons but they can't stick a hand into your pocket.

 

btw, what are you doing carrying 10,000 dollars in cash?


Ah yes but once again your forgettig the many ways cops have of breaking their own rules. For instance one trick I've seen used constantly is "I smell weed". That's it now they have the right to search my vehicle. How am I going to prove that they didn't smell weed? You can't prove something like that and in court a cops word is going to be taken over mine. Another trick bring the dog. First they have the dog go around your car to really check it. If nothing comes up then they start using their hands to direct the dog on places to sniff and casuing the dog to react this is a classic trick that use to search your car.

Do I carrry around 10,000 with me? Hell no. I've seen far to many horror stories of people having their money confiscated though that they saved up for years. Just google forfeiture laws. It's insane what the cops are doing to people. Some states have already started making it illegal now. It's causing way to many issues and cops like all people are already abusing it.



KLAMarine on 29 July 2015
method114 said:
KLAMarine said:

I'm sorry but where are you getting this from? Based on what I've read, police can't search your car nor search your person during a traffic stop. They can pat you down in search of weapons but they can't stick a hand into your pocket.

 

btw, what are you doing carrying 10,000 dollars in cash?

Ah yes but once again your forgettig the many ways cops have of breaking their own rules. For instance one trick I've seen used constantly is "I smell weed". That's it now they have the right to search my vehicle. How am I going to prove that they didn't smell weed? You can't prove something like that and in court a cops word is going to be taken over mine. Another trick bring the dog. First they have the dog go around your car to really check it. If nothing comes up then they start using their hands to direct the dog on places to sniff and casuing the dog to react this is a classic trick that use to search your car.

Do I carrry around 10,000 with me? Hell no. I've seen far to many horror stories of people having their money confiscated though that they saved up for years. Just google forfeiture laws. It's insane what the cops are doing to people. Some states have already started making it illegal now. It's causing way to many issues and cops like all people are already abusing it.

That is absolutely a possibility. Corruption can exist anywhere but always make sure to get in touch with legal experts on what recourses are available to you. Don't hold court out in the street.



Baalzamon on 30 July 2015
TheBlackNaruto said:
Baalzamon said:

While the whole situation still seems pretty messed up, here's a portion of the story that gets completely ignored: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Suburban-Woman-Found-Dead-in-Jail-Had-Previous-Encounters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3geb6z8s6
-She owes over $7k in traffic related fines dating all the way back to February 2014.
-She has had warrants against her in the past for unknown reasons.
-She has numerous fines related to driving without insurance.
-She received a DUI (which by itself doesn't make you a horrible person...I know people with them, but the track record speaks for itself)
All I'm getting at is...if I were to see this as a cop, quite frankly, I'd probably be a dick to the lady too. She is a low life that doesn't respect the law.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention. Even though it isn't why she was arrested, the lady deserved to be in jail until she decides to live up to her mistakes in life and pay her damned fines in a reasonable amount of time. I mean, seriously.

So some trafiic fines makes makes you a low life....wow......

The traffic fine system in Amaerica is another discussion in itself because it is broken beyond belief.....

Some traffic fines? It isn't like she owes $100 for a single speeding ticket. If that was all...woopty doo...happens to the best of us. You pay it and be on your way. I sincerely hope your issue with the traffic fine system in America is that it doesn't punish people nearly enough. The fines are complete diddlysquat. Yet Sandy has managed to wrack up over 7 grand in outstanding fines. And instead of dealing with the consequences of continually breaking the law, she instead decides to just keep on driving and not pay the bills.



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