I've yet to play Destiny, so please take my thoughts with a boulder of salt, but all the fallout from Destiny has seriously damaged the high level of respect I've held for Bungie for years. I'll always love Bungie for bringing the world Halo: Combat Evolved, arguably the single best FPS ever made, and the Halo series it spawned, arguably the single best FPS series ever.

But Bungie has really screwed the pooch with Destiny, especially if it's true that large sections of the base game were removed to sell later as DLC. I guess you can blame Activision for on-disc DLC, for the outrageously expensive advertising budget, for all the slimy business practices, but in the end Bungie got into bed with Activision.

i've been very happy with the amount of content i've received for the amount of money i paid. i've already played destiny for more hours than just about any game i bought last gen (demon's/dark souls are probably the only exceptions at this point and i'm still playing destiny).

activision was not shy about the inclusion of dlc into destiny. i bought 2 dlc packs with my destiny pre-order. frankly,.. you'd have a harder time finding AAA games that don't have dlc than ones that do at this point. since there is no definition of what is a "complete" game i'll just remind you i've probably sunk around 100 hours into destiny already and i'll play 100s more.

I enjoy destiny but man oh man. withholding content to milk money out of us gamers is not fair.

I guess you need to play it first

The game have flaws but there are not that big like people that had unbeliable high expectations believes so... it is a so fun and addictive that make you don't want to play another game ever.

And it is a new way to for FPS... it is to be a game per generation with content reching the game each some months... so it will get bigger and better every month and more gamers will enjoy it.

There are new big events too... the next is the Iron Banner to happen in early October (it just didn't happened before because Iron Banner releaes the level and gears bonus status in PVP and Bungie wanted that you reach a good level before do the event).

The game is solid and great.

having played destiny,..  this game shouldn't damage your respect for bungie.  destiny is an amazing game.   imo,. all the critizism comes from inflated expectations due to the "500 million" comment and unfair demands that destiny = multiplat halo instead of being judge as it's own game.   there is probably a lot of salt in there too from those pissed off that bugie gave more love to playstation than xbox due to the marketing deals.

if you like fps games with a focus on co-op,..  if you like pve more than pvp,..  there isn't any game ever made on consoles that comes even within spitting distance of destiny.

I can believe it there's footage that was shown that isn't in the game and was never said to be future content.

In the end this bungie is not the bungie that made halo

Yes, I do need to play it. But I can't justify $60 for a game with so many question marks.

In any event, my stance on on-disc DLC and incomplete games stands: it's unacceptable. Bungie and Activision deserve to be censured for those cynical business practices, if true, regardless of the game's quality.

In other words, my complaint has more to do with reports of on-disc DLC and of Activison and Bungie selling Destiny piece by piece, and less about the game's quality, about which I have zero first-hand experience.

Wow, so all that content was originally free? Bungie made a huge mistake by partnering with Activision. They could've made a much better game without them.

Not only that, I tried playing last night and it would not let me on to play. Online only gaming sucks when that happens.

Doesn't surprise me one bit.