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GTAexpert on 01 October 2014
Azzanation said:
GTAexpert said:
Azzanation said:
 

3. Ryse is still the best looking game on both next gen consoles. (has won awards to prove it)

7. The XB1 and PS4 have the same amount of memory (Ram)

Ryse was the best looking game on PS4/XB1, till Infamous: Second Son came out. Now Infamous: Second Son is easily the best looking current-gen game, and it runs at a higher resolution than Ryse which makes it even more impressive.

Also PS4's GDDR5 RAM is a lot faster than XB1's DDR3 RAM, even if they have the same amount of memory.

No dude ISS is not betting  looking then Ryse, if your going to make claimes then atleast prove it. Ryse just recently won SIGGRAPH. Any normal gamer would tell you Ryse looks heaps better. Theres more to it then 1080p and if 1080p makes the difference then Knack most look better then BF4 on PS4 since that only runs at 900p.

XB1 uses ESram. They both still only use 8 gigs of Ram.

Its very obvious that you didn't play Infamous: Second Son, otherwise you wouldn't have made such claims. It looks way better than Ryse graphically inspite of being an open-world game. I've played both so I can obviously say which one looks better. And the resolution difference mkaes it even MORE impressive, but Infamous: Second Son would have looked better than Ryse even at the same resolution. Also, resolution does make a difference, otherwise PC gamers wouldn't have cared about being abe to play games at 2K resolutions.

Also XB1's ESRAM cannot make up for the difference beween DDR3 and GDDR5.



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Arkaign on 01 October 2014

1 old SKUs? Lol like what, unsold day one bundles? Oh you must mean sdk. Nope that's not nearly enough to overcome the gap. Nor diskinect mode.

2 if it takes extra effort, expense, and time to help alleviate hardware shortcomings, that's a failure of Microsoft, not the devs. Was it the devs fault in gen7 that the ps3 was hard as balls to code for? No, it was sony at fault 110%

3 Ryse has great assets run through a muddy upscaler at sub 30fps. Big whoop. ISS looks better, has higher res and framerate.

4 No, companies are doing what they can with the limitations and budget at hand.

5 The first true thing you've said, albeit the x1 version will have to lower settings if the graphics exceed the abilities of the hardware.

6 See #4

7 Yes? But x1 ddr3 is 1/3rd the throughput. Oops.

8 What the fuck? No, they're not even close. One is 50% larger in graphics calculation capacity AND is tied to GDDR5, while the other is fed by DDR3 + a paltry 32mb of decent memory. Oh, wait, how fast is the bottleneck to feed that 32mb? Whoops.

9 Capped framerate at 30. Ps4 could run destiny at 60fps with ease. Hell the x1 could too at 900p 60fps with some effort, as the esram can work at 900p without trouble. But Destiny is cross gen, they decided on 30 capped and that's it.

10 see #2, bad design is not the responsibility of the 3rd party devs

11 Second true thing you've said. Unfortunately for the x1, cpu benches show that the ddr3 holds it behind the ps4 due to the bottlenecked bandwidth. Just like a 3ghz pc with ddr3 2400 will smoke a 3.2ghz pc with ddr3 1333. Bandwidth is really important.

12 Well you've just blown all of our minds. I don't suppose you have a logical reason to discuss consoles that you don't care about? That's like being a baseball fan from new jersey and joining a forum to discuss basket weaving in Liberia.



Arkaign on 01 October 2014
Hynad said:
Azzanation said:

1. Launch titles and early titles for XB1 were handicapped by Kinect and old SKUs which isnt the case now.

2. MS only have so much man power and a budget to get these games running equal to PS4.

3. Ryse is still the best looking game on both next gen consoles. (has won awards to prove it)

4. Companies like this dont care and rather screw over a fanbase with cheap ports.

5. Theres not one game the PS4 can do that the XB1 cant do.

6. The fact you defend this by claiming the PS4 is still 50% more powerful then the XB1 when its been proven its 50% FASTER to develop for the PS4 then the XB1 which is why companies choose to make games on it rather then the XB1. (leaving half-assed ports)

7. The XB1 and PS4 have the same amount of memory (Ram)

8. Both GPUS are all off the same line and are both close to being identical (If i had to PCs running both GPUs, i wouldnt notice a differnce, maybe 5 frames just like D3)

9. MS have proven theres not much difference since Destiny isnt mindblowing but if the PS4 was 50% more powerful (lol) then Destiny would run at a smoother framerate not the same. 

10. If both consoles had the right amount of time to make the games for them (XB1 having alittle more time in development) then you wont notice any difference.

11. The XB1 runs a faster CPU 1.75ghz vs 1.6ghz

12. I game on PC/Steam, i dont even like consoles.


Oh my... So much ignorance and misinformation in a single post. I don't even know where to start... xD


It's actually a breathtaking achievement. I can't even be anything more than amused, it's just too perfect to be serious. 



Zekkyou on 01 October 2014
Azzanation said:
I am not here to argue petty things with console gamers. I am simply stating how it works. Sony claimed the PS3 to be TWICE the power of the 360 and on paper it was. Now watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZg8ebaARmY

Now many of you would claim the PS3 was harder to develop for which is correct however if they took the time with the PS3 version then it would of looked very close to the 360 version maybe even better. Just like the XB1 being a little harder to develop for. If the developers spend the time on the game then they can achieve the same, especially since there's not much difference between the 2 in hardware terms. Those who still claim the PS4 being 50% more powerful? well that's what Sony told you, just like there PS3 claim over the 360 and still to this day I hear fanboys say the PS2 was the most powerful console over the Gamecube and Xbox. Don't believe everything they say, MS are proving that there games can run the same and this is my point. Lazy developers are the only reason we are seeing these bad ports.

Sony have never claimed that though ^^ The 40%/50% figures come from looking at specs MS and Sony have both confirmed for their console.

The 40%/50% figures are specifically in reference to the PS4's shader and peak GPU performance advantage over the X1. Not from Sony, just basic math :p

All Sony have ever said is the PS4 is the "strongest". MS have never made any attempt to dispute that.

I have to say though, if you don't understand the difference between things like GGDR5 and DDR3, 1.84tflop/s vs 1.31tflop/s etc, you probably shouldn't join these sorts of discussions.



Kerotan on 01 October 2014
Azzanation said:
Either its a false rumour and just a bunch of fanboys spreading there lies or that the developers got lazy again with the X1 version of the game and are just porting the game across to the X1 without proper optimisation. If this continues and MS have to keep putting them inline by helping them, then I hope these companies fold. They don't deserve anybody's money if they plan on screwing over some of there fans who game on different systems. If your going to go multiplat then at least try your best. Stop with these half-assed ports. Especially when its proven there's not much difference between the 2 systems. I can sort of understand if this was the Wii U.


WHy do you hope the devs fold and not the lazy console maker? Devs have no got unlimited money and are not going to fork out for the Xbox One version to get special attention. Microsoft have more money then they can spend yet they made a gaming console that's not up to scratch when it comes to games devolopment. So take your logic and apply it to MS. Stop supporting them blindly. 

Secondly I've played both Ryse and Infamous Second Don and I can tell you Infamous is better on every level. And just incase you don't know Infamous is open world which makes that feat even more increidble. The PS4 is clearly the superior games console. 



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CommonNinja on 01 October 2014

We need to stop calling what is not 60fps a 60fps game.

The PS4 version very rarely hits 60fps (if at all), and is better described at 30+fps.

Anyways, I expect around 900p with locked 30fps for the X1 version.



CommonNinja on 01 October 2014
Kerotan said:
Azzanation said:
Either its a false rumour and just a bunch of fanboys spreading there lies or that the developers got lazy again with the X1 version of the game and are just porting the game across to the X1 without proper optimisation. If this continues and MS have to keep putting them inline by helping them, then I hope these companies fold. They don't deserve anybody's money if they plan on screwing over some of there fans who game on different systems. If your going to go multiplat then at least try your best. Stop with these half-assed ports. Especially when its proven there's not much difference between the 2 systems. I can sort of understand if this was the Wii U.


WHy do you hope the devs fold and not the lazy console maker? Devs have no got unlimited money and are not going to fork out for the Xbox One version to get special attention. Microsoft have more money then they can spend yet they made a gaming console that's not up to scratch when it comes to games devolopment. So take your logic and apply it to MS. Stop supporting them blindly. 

Secondly I've played both Ryse and Infamous Second Don and I can tell you Infamous is better on every level. And just incase you don't know Infamous is open world which makes that feat even more increidble. The PS4 is clearly the superior games console. 

Microsoft is not a "lazy" console maker, they just made some very bad design decisions on their architecture.  And it is not because thier engineers are bad, its just that they were told to make a console that was more focused on multitasking and media stuff, than it was on actually running games well.  (Remember, this is when Don Mattrick was still in charge).



Kerotan on 01 October 2014
CommonNinja said:
Kerotan said:
Azzanation said:
Either its a false rumour and just a bunch of fanboys spreading there lies or that the developers got lazy again with the X1 version of the game and are just porting the game across to the X1 without proper optimisation. If this continues and MS have to keep putting them inline by helping them, then I hope these companies fold. They don't deserve anybody's money if they plan on screwing over some of there fans who game on different systems. If your going to go multiplat then at least try your best. Stop with these half-assed ports. Especially when its proven there's not much difference between the 2 systems. I can sort of understand if this was the Wii U.


WHy do you hope the devs fold and not the lazy console maker? Devs have no got unlimited money and are not going to fork out for the Xbox One version to get special attention. Microsoft have more money then they can spend yet they made a gaming console that's not up to scratch when it comes to games devolopment. So take your logic and apply it to MS. Stop supporting them blindly. 

Secondly I've played both Ryse and Infamous Second Don and I can tell you Infamous is better on every level. And just incase you don't know Infamous is open world which makes that feat even more increidble. The PS4 is clearly the superior games console. 

Microsoft is not a "lazy" console maker, they just made some very bad design decisions on their architecture.  And it is not because thier engineers are bad, its just that they were told to make a console that was more focused on multitasking and media stuff, than it was on actually running games well.  (Remember, this is when Don Mattrick was still in charge).

And the only reason they are not still in charge and Microsoft appeared to give a damn about gamers anymore was....... they abandoned them and went to the PS4! The money MS have they could have easily made it on par with the PS4 and have better multimedia at the same time. It is unforgiveable and the reason why I will never buy the X1. 

 

So to me they were too lazy to make a proper games console. It's unbelievable to think the console will struggle to hit 1080p for the top games most of this gen. And last gen they rushed out the 360 because they knew they couldn't compete. They were too lazy to make sure the bloody thing was built right. I'd 3 RROD's and it was also the reason I ended up switching to the PS3. Their laziness has drove away many of their best customers. 



ethomaz on 01 October 2014

Azzanation said:

1. Launch titles and early titles for XB1 were handicapped by Kinect and old SKUs which isnt the case now.

2. MS only have so much man power and a budget to get these games running equal to PS4.

3. Ryse is still the best looking game on both next gen consoles. (has won awards to prove it)

4. Companies like this dont care and rather screw over a fanbase with cheap ports.

5. Theres not one game the PS4 can do that the XB1 cant do.

6. The fact you defend this by claiming the PS4 is still 50% more powerful then the XB1 when its been proven its 50% FASTER to develop for the PS4 then the XB1 which is why companies choose to make games on it rather then the XB1. (leaving half-assed ports)

7. The XB1 and PS4 have the same amount of memory (Ram)

8. Both GPUS are all off the same line and are both close to being identical (If i had to PCs running both GPUs, i wouldnt notice a differnce, maybe 5 frames just like D3)

9. MS have proven theres not much difference since Destiny isnt mindblowing but if the PS4 was 50% more powerful (lol) then Destiny would run at a smoother framerate not the same.

10. If both consoles had the right amount of time to make the games for them (XB1 having alittle more time in development) then you wont notice any difference.

11. The XB1 runs a faster CPU 1.75ghz vs 1.6ghz

12. I game on PC/Steam, i dont even like consoles.

1. Kinect releases 1/4 of the power difference between PS4 and Xbone.

2. Do you mean MS will pay for parity in every game?

3. It won a technical graphic award... not best looking lol

4. There is no cheap ports at all.

5. So why 90% of games runs better on PS4?

6. PS4 is both... more powerful (and it is 40% in RAW power but more in others parts) and easy to developer than Xbon

7. Not exactly... Xbone have 32MB more RAM (ESRAM)

8. The GPU are not even the same version... PS4 uses GCN 1.1 and Xbone GCN 1.0... they are of the same family but PS4 have 50% more compute units and 100-400% others units... it is like the comparing a low-end Radeon with a mid-end Radeon.

9. Destny aimed for parity and the graphics are last gen (I love the game but I know how it looks)

10. Right now devs but way more time trying to optimize Xbone version to reach PS4 version... so if they put the same time in both PS4 will cleary be better

11. Yeap but the OS eat more processing too... benchs shows PS4 CPU runs better (or more free from OS resources lefting more to games)

12. You don't have ideia of you are talking too... the diffence between PS4 is Xbone is close to the R9 270 and R7 260.



KazumaKiryu on 01 October 2014

is it offical now ?