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GTAexpert on 30 September 2014
padib said:
Tower said:

If you want to make this comparison fair, you can compare attach ratios after a the same amount of time in release, so if we compare the attach ratio of the PS4 now and the Wii U a year ago:

PS4: 29.883/10.81= 2.76

Wii U: 9.278/3.455= 2.69

With this more fair comparison the PS4 has sold more software per hardware unit than the Wii U (and the PS4 has had less time in Japan so this comparison still favours the Wii U a little).

Fair enough. I guess my kudos to Nintendo stands in the sense that almost all the games are 1st party, while the PS4 gets the multiplats and 3rd party games.

That is still testament to Nintendo's strength as a publisher.

To support my figures I'd have to whip out my "ratio by publisher" thread I made a few months ago.

You're saying that as if its PS4's fault, but rather its the PS4's STRENGTH. Besides your argument fails due to the fact that Sony has only released 3 PS4 exclusives, all of them either very niche series for Sony or a poorly recieved new IP, and a year-old port to contribute to first-party software sales.

Meanwhile Nintendo has released 7 Wii U exclusives (8 in Japan), of which 4 games are part of their biggest series and 2 are well-recieved new IP's, and a 10 year old port to contribute to their first-party sales.



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QuintonMcLeod on 30 September 2014
bubblegamer said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
bubblegamer said:

Not against all odds. What's the use of discussion with an attitude like that?


The question is rather simple. Do you believe what you say? Yes or no?

I just answered your question, but it seems to have gone over your head or you don't even read the comments!

You responded to the question, but you didn't answer it.

Once again. The words that spew forth from your mouth - Do you believe in them? Yes or no?



QuintonMcLeod on 30 September 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

You responded to the question, but you didn't answer it.

Once again. The words that spew forth from your mouth - Do you believe in them? Yes or no?

He did answer.  Not against all odds = not always.  

bubblegamer said:

Not against all odds. What's the use of discussion with an attitude like that?


Nice of you to translate, but it would've been easier if he just said yes or no.

The sad thing is, if your translation is really what he means, then the reality is he doesn't believe half the things he says. How would expect anyone to believe him knowing that?



outlawauron on 30 September 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Nice of you to translate, but it would've been easier if he just said yes or no.

The sad thing is, if your translation is really what he means, then the reality is he doesn't believe half the things he says. How would expect anyone to believe him knowing that?

It's more about the fact that he's willing to change his opinion.  This means he's willing to learn.  

If someone is unwilling to change their viewpoint, there's no point in having a discussion.  Discussions are about sharing ideas, so that we may learn.  

He's human, and he knows he isn't always going to be right.  

This is going to go right over his head.



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Wonktonodi on 30 September 2014

For comparison it took the Wii until the week ending Feb 23, 2008 to pass the Xbox 360 in software (1 year 3 months and a week after wii launch) while it passes it in hardware the Week ending August 18th 2007.(9 months) So 6 month and a week between when it passes hardware to software. oh both consoles were just shy of 100 million software when the pass took place.

The ps4 passed the Wii U in hardware the week the ps4 launched in Japan week ending Feb 22 2014(though Japanese numbers are always for the next day. So 100 days after launch. Or about 3 months and a week.

It passed software this week. So 10 months and not quite a week after launch. With 6 months 3 weeks between when hardware was passed to when software was passes. The systems over a million apart in software due to the huge sales from destiny but both in the 29 million range.



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bubblegamer on 01 October 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Nice of you to translate, but it would've been easier if he just said yes or no.

The sad thing is, if your translation is really what he means, then the reality is he doesn't believe half the things he says. How would expect anyone to believe him knowing that?

It's more about the fact that he's willing to change his opinion.  This means he's willing to learn.  

If someone is unwilling to change their viewpoint, there's no point in having a discussion.  Discussions are about sharing ideas, so that we may learn.  

He's human, and he knows he isn't always going to be right.  

lol i feel like i should award you something after discussing with that guy. Discussions are meaningless when everything is set and no one wants to learn/hear something knew. Which is why a lot of people for example don't like discussing with religious people or just fanatics, because to them everything anyone else thinks/belives simply must be ignored so that no doubt about one's own thought process could occure.



GTAexpert on 01 October 2014
padib said:
GTAexpert said:
padib said:

Fair enough. I guess my kudos to Nintendo stands in the sense that almost all the games are 1st party, while the PS4 gets the multiplats and 3rd party games.

That is still testament to Nintendo's strength as a publisher.

To support my figures I'd have to whip out my "ratio by publisher" thread I made a few months ago.

You're saying that as if its PS4's fault, but rather its the PS4's STRENGTH. Besides your argument fails due to the fact that Sony has only released 3 PS4 exclusives, all of them either very niche series for Sony or a poorly recieved new IP, and a year-old port to contribute to first-party software sales.

Meanwhile Nintendo has released 7 Wii U exclusives (8 in Japan), of which 4 games are part of their biggest series and 2 are well-recieved new IP's, and a 10 year old port to contribute to their first-party sales.

I'm saying that as if it's PS4's fault? I really have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, what I was trying to point out was that Nintendo was able to sustain SW sales almost all by itself on the U. They may have used established IPs, but that again goes to show how strong Nintendo's IPs are, when they can support a console almost entirely of themselves.

This is not a dig at Sony at all. Where Sony was able to attract 3rd parties successfully, Nintendo was able to support a console on 1st party titles alone (nearly). They are both different strengths. A manufacturer capable of both would be a scary beast to behold.

Any console can live on first-party games alone, what matters is how much they are able to sell with that. Clearly the Wii U hasn't been able to survive off first-party games alone. It had many third-party games in its early life when its sales were the highest. That indicates that it needs third-parties to sell.



QuintonMcLeod on 01 October 2014
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Nice of you to translate, but it would've been easier if he just said yes or no.

The sad thing is, if your translation is really what he means, then the reality is he doesn't believe half the things he says. How would expect anyone to believe him knowing that?

It's more about the fact that he's willing to change his opinion.  This means he's willing to learn.  

If someone is unwilling to change their viewpoint, there's no point in having a discussion.  Discussions are about sharing ideas, so that we may learn.  

He's human, and he knows he isn't always going to be right.  

That isn't the point.

A person says what they say because they have conviction. You're not saying what you're saying because you don't believe what you're saying, are you? No one is asking him if he believes what he said yesterday or even last year. I'm asking if he believes the words he says NOW.



QuintonMcLeod on 01 October 2014
bubblegamer said:
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Nice of you to translate, but it would've been easier if he just said yes or no.

The sad thing is, if your translation is really what he means, then the reality is he doesn't believe half the things he says. How would expect anyone to believe him knowing that?

It's more about the fact that he's willing to change his opinion.  This means he's willing to learn.  

If someone is unwilling to change their viewpoint, there's no point in having a discussion.  Discussions are about sharing ideas, so that we may learn.  

He's human, and he knows he isn't always going to be right.  

lol i feel like i should award you something after discussing with that guy. Discussions are meaningless when everything is set and no one wants to learn/hear something knew. Which is why a lot of people for example don't like discussing with religious people or just fanatics, because to them everything anyone else thinks/belives simply must be ignored so that no doubt about one's own thought process could occure.


Do you believe what you are saying right now? I can't see how this is a hard question to answer.



bubblegamer on 01 October 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
bubblegamer said:
the-pi-guy said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Nice of you to translate, but it would've been easier if he just said yes or no.

The sad thing is, if your translation is really what he means, then the reality is he doesn't believe half the things he says. How would expect anyone to believe him knowing that?

It's more about the fact that he's willing to change his opinion.  This means he's willing to learn.  

If someone is unwilling to change their viewpoint, there's no point in having a discussion.  Discussions are about sharing ideas, so that we may learn.  

He's human, and he knows he isn't always going to be right.  

lol i feel like i should award you something after discussing with that guy. Discussions are meaningless when everything is set and no one wants to learn/hear something knew. Which is why a lot of people for example don't like discussing with religious people or just fanatics, because to them everything anyone else thinks/belives simply must be ignored so that no doubt about one's own thought process could occure.


Do you believe what you are saying right now? I can't see how this is a hard question to answer.

I already answered you and others even tried to make you understand. It's obvious you can't/won't..