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It's really getting annoying seeing people doom the Xbox One. Dont make the same mistake I did. Xbox One has billions of dollars backing it. It WILL sell well. Look at the Toyota Prius. People in the auto press were calling it a joke when it was first released and laughed more when Toyota started selling each Prius at a loss. Now look at today, Toyota is printing cash with the Prius and no other car company comes even close to it when it comes to hybrid sales.

I'm not a Xbox fan but I wont bury my head in the sand and underestimate a company that can do MAJOR damage with the Scrooge McDuck cash they have. Microsoft has made me eat too much crow. LOL.



Deeds said:

It's really getting annoying seeing people doom the Xbox One. Dont make the same mistake I did. Xbox One has billions of dollars backing it. It WILL sell well. Look at the Toyota Prius. People in the auto press were calling it a joke when it was first released and laughed more when Toyota started selling each Prius at a loss. Now look at today, Toyota is printing cash with the Prius and no other car company comes even close to it when it comes to hybrid sales.

I'm not a Xbox fan but I wont bury my head in the sand and underestimate a company that can do MAJOR damage with the Scrooge McDuck cash they have. Microsoft has made me eat too much crow. LOL.

See the problem with your examples is that your comparing the One to successes outside of MS, frequently ignoring all of the variables that play out here. Zune was also backed by Microsoft, I don't know what its doing now but it sure isn't printing cash.

There is a limit, a cost benefit ratio. I honestly don't understand how anyone can get hyped up on how much money MS has and can "virtually" spend on the XB1, because its barely anything has changed since the 1st XB released. Obviously, there is a limit on how much they can "actually" spend, the effect of money spent is asymtotic not exponential.

It doesn't matter how much money MS has, if XB1 doesn't hit key points this holidays, then it won't get up to par with the PS4, the last region where Xbox would have a chance. 

But that is only with regards to the scope of the PS4 as a competitor.

In relation to itself as the OP suggests, once again the effect of money spent is asymptotic, not linear or exponential. Diminishing returns in other words. When a billion dollars has the effect of only a million dollars, even MS is forced to reconsider. After all, MS didn't get rich by dumping money into non-core products.



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BeElite said:

Its a financial disaster like no other for them, thast a fact.  Its so bad some have called for it being span of or even shut down. 

What you are spinning is a bs fairy tale, facts is profits above all.  Sony blew billions on PS3 casue they though it services and BR would make it back.  Profit motivated them.   MS is no different, there is no fanboyish lets keep it going casue we can mentality or we can afford it we got billions.  MS had a long term strategy for Xbox, and the third one X1 was to make back all the losses and dominate.  Clealry its failing big time.  

Hmm, financial disaster like no other for MS.  I am thinking you have no clue about how MS operates or even the amount of products they have failed with.  Could you find me any evidence where MS was even close to closing down the the Xbox division.  Really, making stuff up to support your opinion is never a good ground to stand on.

As for spinning, not sure what industry you work in but are you telling me that companies like MS and Sony do not position products or care about market share more then immediate profits.  Yes, at the end of the day corporations need to make profits but they also need products that postion them for future growth.

So tell me why would Sony keep their TV division if it has lost them money for years?



Idk, it did almost just outsell the PS4 after a $50 cut...



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Mr Puggsly said:
Captain_Tom said:


1) It is fair to say that Xbox at the very least does allow MS to get their mindshare out there in different demographics.  But again it all comes down to "Is it worth it?"  Only MS can decide that, but it is easier to justify the expenses if the product at least makes a profit.   That isn't debatable.

2) But Playstation isn't losing money.  Also, MS doesn't need to be in a bad possition to consider selling/ending/transforming Xbox.  Again they want to make money off their investments.

3) Who said MS is in a bad position?  Nobody here.  You know what's easier than weathering a storm?  Not sailing into it.

 

3) Great advice, unfortunately Nintendo, Sony, and MS have all done it.

Yep.  MS has Bing, Surface, and Xbox.  Sony sold TV's at a loss for half a decade.  Nintendo actually hasn't really done this.  I mean the Wii U was an inherantly flawed design, but its not like they aren't profiting and they sure as hell aren't trying to spend their way out of it.



Captain_Tom said:
tuscaniman99 said:
Ninsect said:
tuscaniman99 said:

If X1 dropped to $299 this fall it would outsell PS4 1.5:1 minimum in NA. I expect it to outsell PS4 regardless in NA this fall. MCC is going to sell a lot of consoles and lets face it the PS4 fall lineup is extremely weak.


Edit: By fall I mean holiday season. Nov-Early Jan.

Okay, so a collection of old games is going to get One from selling about 50% as much as PS4 in the US to MORE than PS4? 

PS4 is not 2:1 in NA


Yet.  Wait for the non-stop onslaught of exclusives coming in a couple months.

2 is an onslaught?



tuscaniman99 said:
Captain_Tom said:
tuscaniman99 said:
Ninsect said:
tuscaniman99 said:

If X1 dropped to $299 this fall it would outsell PS4 1.5:1 minimum in NA. I expect it to outsell PS4 regardless in NA this fall. MCC is going to sell a lot of consoles and lets face it the PS4 fall lineup is extremely weak.


Edit: By fall I mean holiday season. Nov-Early Jan.

Okay, so a collection of old games is going to get One from selling about 50% as much as PS4 in the US to MORE than PS4? 

PS4 is not 2:1 in NA


Yet.  Wait for the non-stop onslaught of exclusives coming in a couple months.

2 is an onslaught?

With in about a month of each other yahh especially comapred to MS half a year full of nothing at all just like nothing at all.  



Aphelion said:
tuscaniman99 said:
Captain_Tom said:
tuscaniman99 said:
Ninsect said:
tuscaniman99 said:

If X1 dropped to $299 this fall it would outsell PS4 1.5:1 minimum in NA. I expect it to outsell PS4 regardless in NA this fall. MCC is going to sell a lot of consoles and lets face it the PS4 fall lineup is extremely weak.


Edit: By fall I mean holiday season. Nov-Early Jan.

Okay, so a collection of old games is going to get One from selling about 50% as much as PS4 in the US to MORE than PS4? 

PS4 is not 2:1 in NA


Yet.  Wait for the non-stop onslaught of exclusives coming in a couple months.

2 is an onslaught?

With in about a month of each other yahh especially comapred to MS half a year full of nothing at all just like nothing at all.  

The Order isn't going to push consoles at all. Bloodborne will push some PS4s. We don't know the full 2015 lineup for either console at this point.



tuscaniman99 said:

The Order isn't going to push consoles at all. Bloodborne will push some PS4s. We don't know the full 2015 lineup for either console at this point.


we know the first couple months and X1s ealry 2015 is barren as hell, just accept it.