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which do you think is the worst generation?

Gen 1 78 15.57%
 
Gen 2 31 6.19%
 
Gen 3 7 1.40%
 
Gen 4 6 1.20%
 
Gen 5 10 2.00%
 
Gen 6 25 4.99%
 
Gen 7 41 8.18%
 
Gen 8 132 26.35%
 
What do these F*cking numbers mean? 61 12.18%
 
show results. 107 21.36%
 
Total:498
sales2099 on 17 April 2014
brendude13 said:
sales2099 said:
Ya this ain't no 360/PS3 tug of war. X1 passes WiiU......yay I guess. PS4 taking a early lead means no neck-to-neck sales struggle to track. Its boring as we all know how this will play out.

That said, MS is investing a lot into games. I wouldn't mind being 2nd place while also having a superior games selection.

Then again, PS fans get those glorious endorphins from being 1st place which provides a high and buzz that is very pleasurable. The feeling of validation elevates ones mood and changes the outlook on their day-to-day lifestyle. So they got that at least ;)

Well that's a very sudden change of heart.

Losing allows one to re-evaluate ones priorities ;).



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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bigtakilla on 17 April 2014
vfguy said:

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Well no crap dude!I also love the ability of streaming Netflix and Amazon Prime movies instantly to both TV's in my home, but guessy what?

I freaking love lossless DTS HD 5.1/True Dolby/LPCM! I also like knowing there are certain movies I have, that are on the best possible format (blu-ray 4k remaster to 2k or 1080p instead of DVD) to experience that can be had for a reasonable or fantastic pricing! Which makes Blu-Ray more of a draw this gen than last gen for myself.

Take a look at the big picture! It is not a pick and choose only universe we live in (unless you only own a Wii U and no Blu-Ray player and/or no 8th gen XB1/PS4), you can stream and have digital media that is far and away better, so guessy what? I choose both! You obviously limit yourself and choose 1, and are claiming some ridiculous claims. Why even post if you just make these absurd speculations that only gamers buy Blu_ray players? I know plenty of older folks that have only Blu-Ray players to play movies on and still go to Video rental stores to watch Blu Rays and DVDs still. I know, mind blowing right?!

Maybe you own a Wii U and have sour grapes, against the Blu-Ray format? It's the best format currently so deal with it, but I guess I'm asking way to much from yourself.

What is so ridiculous about my claims?

-People have shown in the past with CDs and today with Netflix that they prefer convenience and a lower price over quality. Physical media in general and Blu-Ray in particular are on their way out.  I agree that there is not yet an equivalent in terms of quality to BluRay, but it clearly never caught on like DVD did and never will.

-Even Sony's own 4k push here in Japan is based on download, not Blu-Ray.

-Why so butthurt about 4k masters? If you master something in 4k and then shrink it down to 1080p, that is still just 1080p.

-Everyone I know, perhaps those "older folks" you mention are the exception, are moving to digital of some kind. I don't know a single person who still buys physical media for their movies and music. This is clearly the trend. Why else do you think that special features on Blu-Rays have essentially disappeared in the past year or two (along with music and video stores)? 5-10 years ago, most of my friends had at least a small DVD/Blu-Ray collection with their favorite films, some TV shows, and some recent films. That is simply not the case anymore.

-Also, video rental stores? That is your argument? Video Rental stores!!!

-Because games are more expensive, some gamers still seem to want physical media because of the trade-in value/ability to buy used games, but that is not the case with other media anymore and will not be the case with games soon enough.

 

Edit: I am actually on my fifth BluRay player (2 stand-alone players, 2 PS3s, 1 Xbox One) and will soon buy a sixth when a PS4 limited edition of some kind is released in Japan. I bought and rented my fair share of movies between 2006 and 2010. These days, I only occasionaly rent movies on BluRay here in Japan at Tsutaya, but I haven't bought any movies in years. Even at $5 from Amazon, why would I need a movie on my shelf when I most likely wouldn't revisit it for years, if ever, and at that point I could just download it, rent it, or stream it.

So FinalFantasyXIII (terrible game by the way, I got no clue why someone would want it as their profile name) is saying he wants 4k bluray, with 5.1 Dolby surround sound. Well, if someone has surround sound they have a box to designate what audio signals go where, and the boxes have bluray players in them so I'm trying to figure out how he places this on Wii U owners being upset. Lol. Really we are just saving energy by only having power go to our bluray/surround sound box, and our tv, instead of a ps4, surround sound box, and tv. Maybe it's just me but I don't see the issue. And yes blurays and tv resolutions are only 1080p (unless FFXIII is one of those people who shelled out a LOT of money for a 4K tv, and even then it's only going to render 4k on online streams) So yeah..... FinalFantasyXIII's post makes no sense....



shogunknight on 17 April 2014

I still dont know why this generation is already decided after 5 months of 2 consoles release. The WiiU is just a year and a few months old and the PS4/X1 are about 5 months in. Even though those consoles launched with its lots of unique titles you would still disregard the generation. Try not being unnecessarily impatient....who am i kidding, we will be seeing more threads like these for a while



FinalFantasyXIII on 17 April 2014
vfguy said:
FinalFantasyXIII said:
vfguy said:

A 4k remaster is still "just" 1080p on Bluray.

Bluray (and physical media in general) is going to have even less of an impact on this generation than the last.

While 4k Bluray XL, or whatever they are called, might be in the pipeline, the future is clearly streaming or download, even in 4k. Nobody, outside of gamers apparently, wants physical media.


Well no crap dude!I also love the ability of streaming Netflix and Amazon Prime movies instantly to both TV's in my home, but guessy what?

I freaking love lossless DTS HD 5.1/True Dolby/LPCM! I also like knowing there are certain movies I have, that are on the best possible format (blu-ray 4k remaster to 2k or 1080p instead of DVD) to experience that can be had for a reasonable or fantastic pricing! Which makes Blu-Ray more of a draw this gen than last gen for myself.

Take a look at the big picture! It is not a pick and choose only universe we live in (unless you only own a Wii U and no Blu-Ray player and/or no 8th gen XB1/PS4), you can stream and have digital media that is far and away better, so guessy what? I choose both! You obviously limit yourself and choose 1, and are claiming some ridiculous claims. Why even post if you just make these absurd speculations that only gamers buy Blu_ray players? I know plenty of older folks that have only Blu-Ray players to play movies on and still go to Video rental stores to watch Blu Rays and DVDs still. I know, mind blowing right?!

Maybe you own a Wii U and have sour grapes, against the Blu-Ray format? It's the best format currently so deal with it, but I guess I'm asking way to much from yourself.

What is so ridiculous about my claims?

-People have shown in the past with CDs and today with Netflix that they prefer convenience and a lower price over quality. Physical media in general and Blu-Ray in particular are on their way out.  I agree that there is not yet an equivalent in terms of quality to BluRay, but it clearly never caught on like DVD did and never will.

-Even Sony's own 4k push here in Japan is based on download, not Blu-Ray.

-Why so butthurt about 4k masters? If you master something in 4k and then shrink it down to 1080p, that is still just 1080p.

-Everyone I know, perhaps those "older folks" you mention are the exception, are moving to digital of some kind. I don't know a single person who still buys physical media for their movies and music. This is clearly the trend. Why else do you think that special features on Blu-Rays have essentially disappeared in the past year or two (along with music and video stores)? 5-10 years ago, most of my friends had at least a small DVD/Blu-Ray collection with their favorite films, some TV shows, and some recent films. That is simply not the case anymore.

-Also, video rental stores? That is your argument? Video Rental stores!!!

-Because games are more expensive, some gamers still seem to want physical media because of the trade-in value/ability to buy used games, but that is not the case with other media anymore and will not be the case with games soon enough.

 

Edit: I am actually on my fifth BluRay player (2 stand-alone players, 2 PS3s, 1 Xbox One) and will soon buy a sixth when a PS4 limited edition of some kind is released in Japan. I bought and rented my fair share of movies between 2006 and 2010. These days, I only occasionaly rent movies on BluRay here in Japan at Tsutaya, but I haven't bought any movies in years. Even at $5 from Amazon, why would I need a movie on my shelf when I most likely wouldn't revisit it for years, if ever, and at that point I could just download it, rent it, or stream it.


By your logic almost half of the theaters in the USA should be out of buisness from streaming. Because, 40% of all theaters in the USA use 4k projectors. Did you even know this? People DO want quality obviously or else by your argument they'd all wait for the movies on Netflix.Nope people love 4k they love surround sound etc. So you're the kind of person who just buys into whatever argument can suit your defunct arguments. Have you been to a 4k theater in Japan yet, and didn't even notice what made the experience so great? 4k and HD digital surround sound are the main reasons. Popcorn and Pepsi's do help heehee. So yeah I want a great experience at home as well as the theatre.  I don't want 2 channel stereo and Netflix 5MBps compressed 1080p as my only solitary option.

(To the Butthurt comment) When I can have a closer to the theatre media, for a few of my all time favorite movies for such a great price... much less than a ticket at a single showing at a 4k cinema sometimes or very similar price I get excited. I doubt I'm the only person in the world you've spoke to thats said this. I usually spend 9.00 for 4k  movie ticket and/or 11.00 for Real 3D movie ticket. Most Blu-Rays on sales run same or less than 11.00, if you watch them 2x that is same price but you keep the movie for years and can re-experience it at your... well my liesure.

Yep my parents still go out on the weekends after dinner and what not and get a video or 2 at the video store, the place gets plenty of buisness. They even have a Blu-Ray panasonic player and a 1080p screen. My mom is 63 lol, and definetly not a gamer. SO yeah people still go to the movie theaters, people still rent blu rays, and people gasp! still buy Blu Rays for home theater movie collections. This is pretty obvious stuff. Sorry but Netflix on a regular HD tv with stereo audio is just a quick and nasty way to enjoy movies, it's not even close to a wannabe home theatre setup. you sacrifice more than 2x the video quality and 2x the audio quality quite easily if not 4x-5x the overall quality imho with Netflix. But you have to understand most of the technical reasons like video Bit Rate/ Audio and video Compression. Then compare it to highly uncompressed video and lossless audio on at least 5.1 speakers with 500-1000 watts compared to two 5 or 10 watt hdtv speakers and no subwoofer to understand were I'm coming from. You can't.

Keep thinking everyone wants Netflix, which they do for the most part if they enjoy movies. I have it myself. I simply use it as a tool to watch content I wouldn't normally pick up, and then if I really like a movie+soundtrack then I'll buy the Blu-Ray when it is at a very competitive price on Amazon. For the high quality experience. I'm not alone but probably it is not the most popular modus operandi but it is how I choose to buy content. I really didn't begin buying blu rays until around the ps4 launch so I think blu rays will make gen 8 sell better and be more exciting than gen 7. That is all.



jamesmarkus87 on 17 April 2014

For the past few days, I've been playing Metroid Prime. While playing through it, I've been asking myself, "will this console generation have a single game as great as this one?"



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Gnac on 17 April 2014

Gen 8, because it has fuck-all that interests me, and with the way things are going, it most likely never will.



WHERE IS MY KORORINPA 3

curl-6 on 17 April 2014
zero129 said:

and Zelda was still announced for the GC first only later to be ported to the Wii but i was always pretty sure the 2 versions launched at the same time O_o ?? .

In NA and PAL, the Wii version released first, followed by the Gamecube version later.



SvennoJ on 17 April 2014
vfguy said:

What is so ridiculous about my claims?

-People have shown in the past with CDs and today with Netflix that they prefer convenience and a lower price over quality. Physical media in general and Blu-Ray in particular are on their way out.  I agree that there is not yet an equivalent in terms of quality to BluRay, but it clearly never caught on like DVD did and never will.

Blu-ray sales are still growing year over year. Overall (DVD+Blu-ray) sales are shrinking.

-Even Sony's own 4k push here in Japan is based on download, not Blu-Ray.

Blu-ray 4K spec is not ready for market yet, planned for a fall release. Sony wants to sell 4K tvs now, so ofcourse they're promoting downloads.

-Why so butthurt about 4k masters? If you master something in 4k and then shrink it down to 1080p, that is still just 1080p.

There is a big quality difference depending on the source, compare Samsara (65mm 8K scan, 4K master) with Lotr (35mm 2K master), difference is night and day. Supersampling works for movies as well as for games.

-Everyone I know, perhaps those "older folks" you mention are the exception, are moving to digital of some kind. I don't know a single person who still buys physical media for their movies and music. This is clearly the trend. Why else do you think that special features on Blu-Rays have essentially disappeared in the past year or two (along with music and video stores)? 5-10 years ago, most of my friends had at least a small DVD/Blu-Ray collection with their favorite films, some TV shows, and some recent films. That is simply not the case anymore.

I guess me and my friends are part of those older folks. I know no one who has switched to collecting digital movies and gave up buying blu-rays. Only the ones that didn't collect movies in the first place switched from renting to streaming.
Special features are still very much present. From the 10 blu-rays I bought in the last 2 months, only 2 didn't have special features.

My blu-ray collection is growing faster each year, I've added 25 movies to my collection so far this year. I watch most movies at least twice and love the extras as well. I try digital a couple times a year, it's always disappointing compared to blu-ray.



S.T.A.G.E. on 17 April 2014
dsp333 said:
The gen doesn't really feel like it has begun yet with barely any next-gen only titles shown off yet, so there's that.

That said, this is WAAAAAY more exciting than the start of the 7th gen was imo. So fucking glad that gen is over.

5th gen was the worst gen overall, though. Exciting in many ways, yet horrendous in terms of actual games and hardware.


Next gen just started last november. The next gen only titles are coming next year. The first year isnt even over.



curl-6 on 17 April 2014
SvennoJ said:
vfguy said:
 

What is so ridiculous about my claims?

-People have shown in the past with CDs and today with Netflix that they prefer convenience and a lower price over quality. Physical media in general and Blu-Ray in particular are on their way out.  I agree that there is not yet an equivalent in terms of quality to BluRay, but it clearly never caught on like DVD did and never will.

Blu-ray sales are still growing year over year. Overall (DVD+Blu-ray) sales are shrinking.

-Even Sony's own 4k push here in Japan is based on download, not Blu-Ray.

Blu-ray 4K spec is not ready for market yet, planned for a fall release. Sony wants to sell 4K tvs now, so ofcourse they're promoting downloads.

-Why so butthurt about 4k masters? If you master something in 4k and then shrink it down to 1080p, that is still just 1080p.

There is a big quality difference depending on the source, compare Samsara (65mm 8K scan, 4K master) with Lotr (35mm 2K master), difference is night and day. Supersampling works for movies as well as for games.

-Everyone I know, perhaps those "older folks" you mention are the exception, are moving to digital of some kind. I don't know a single person who still buys physical media for their movies and music. This is clearly the trend. Why else do you think that special features on Blu-Rays have essentially disappeared in the past year or two (along with music and video stores)? 5-10 years ago, most of my friends had at least a small DVD/Blu-Ray collection with their favorite films, some TV shows, and some recent films. That is simply not the case anymore.

I guess me and my friends are part of those older folks. I know no one who has switched to collecting digital movies and gave up buying blu-rays. Only the ones that didn't collect movies in the first place switched from renting to streaming.
Special features are still very much present. From the 10 blu-rays I bought in the last 2 months, only 2 didn't have special features.

My blu-ray collection is growing faster each year, I've added 25 movies to my collection so far this year. I watch most movies at least twice and love the extras as well. I try digital a couple times a year, it's always disappointing compared to blu-ray.

If you're waiting for Blu Ray reach the mainstream success of DVD, you're going to be waiting forever. By this point in DVD's life, VHS was kaput, yet DVDs still sell alongside Blu Ray, and digital is the way of the future.