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DS also has double the market saturation and any developer is garanteed better sales on the DS than the PSP anyday.



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HappySqurriel said:
davygee said:

The problem seems to be the game budgets. It seems that games for the PS3 and 360 tend to have huge budgets to help development etc....but the number of bought units doesn't equate to development costs.

IMHO, the DS is the most profitable platform for any game developer at the moment. Development costs are low and userbase is huge. The only problem with developers making games for the Wii and DS is that they are technically restricted because of the hardware, so some developers want to push to be making the bigger more graphically enhanced and more technically superior games...but they are not getting good enough sales.

I think we'll see more multi-platform games being released similar to Spiderman 3 etc.


It is the same problem you see with movies ... Every studio seems to want to push the "Big Budget Blockbuster" of "Epic movie" but these movies cost a lot of money, very few producers/directors can handle the scope of the project (so a lot of projects turn out poorly), there is a limited number of consumers who are interested in these titles, and (because there are so many of these movies) they lose the "special" value.


While I largely agree, there's actually an important difference here -- going to a Blockbuster action movie (say, the new Spider Man movie) doesn't cost more than going to see, say, The Departed (awesome movie, low budget). However, if you want to play the flashy new blockbuster games, you have to buy a 400-600 dollar system instead of a 130-250 dollar one. That's important to note: imagine if tickets for Spider Man 3 really did cost twice or thrice those for movies with less special effects.



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Bodhesatva said:
 

While I largely agree, there's actually an important difference here -- going to a Blockbuster action movie (say, the new Spider Man movie) doesn't cost more than going to see, say, The Departed (awesome movie, low budget). However, if you want to play the flashy new blockbuster games, you have to buy a 400-600 dollar system instead of a 130-250 dollar one. That's important to note: imagine if tickets for Spider Man 3 really did cost twice or thrice those for movies with less special effects.

I can see your point, but personally I'd use the analogy of DVDs vs HD media (Blu-ray or HD-DVD); with movie tickets you really aren't buying anything else apart from the ticket, but in order to watch a movie at home with any media you have to also buy the player.



Gballzack said:
On the issue of the DS, well, the DS is far more successful than the PSP because of its support and quality control. PSP break rather easily and UMDs have a tendency to fall apart. Plus the PSP has jack shit in games. Most games for the PSP don't get much fan praise either, for any gamer who doesn't make an effort to look up what's on it, its as if the system doesn't even exist. Gamestop stores are now limited their shipments of PSP games and refuse to carry half the library because they quite honestly just can't move them.

I've had my PSP for 18 months now and it's not broken (yet) and I've not had any UMDs fall apart.

The PSP has jack shit in games.............mmmmm!!!  What a load of rubbish.  I think this is now turning out to be of urban mythical proportions.

Anyone who thinks the PSP doesn't have a good catalogue of games, obviously knows nothing about gaming.

Even before this year, the PSP was gathering pace with it's list of games....yes it took about a year to get a reasonable collection of games, but this year (2007) is turning out to be the best for the PSP so far.

Yes the DS has a great collection of games, but the DS does not tick all the boxes in gaming types, whereas I feel the PSP does do that...and by the end of the year will have a better selection of games overall the gaming types than the DS. 



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

davygee said:
 

I've had my PSP for 18 months now and it's not broken (yet) and I've not had any UMDs fall apart.

Yes the DS has a great collection of games, but the DS does not tick all the boxes in gaming types, whereas I feel the PSP does do that...and by the end of the year will have a better selection of games overall the gaming types than the DS.


I'm sure the PSP is not designed to self-destruct after repeated usage, but based on my personal experience, I would not like to see a PSP dropped from a distance four-to-five feet high onto the pavement.  You can pretty much kiss the PSP goodbye if that has ever happened to you.

By contrast, I've dropped the DS Lite three times under similar circumstances - once with the screen open - and the most that's happened to it is the typical scratch on the corner.

And I echo your sentiments about the DS's game library. Apart from Mario Kart DS, there is not one racing game that I would consider anything but a complete waste of time playing.



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your mother said:
davygee said:
 

I've had my PSP for 18 months now and it's not broken (yet) and I've not had any UMDs fall apart.

Yes the DS has a great collection of games, but the DS does not tick all the boxes in gaming types, whereas I feel the PSP does do that...and by the end of the year will have a better selection of games overall the gaming types than the DS.


I'm sure the PSP is not designed to self-destruct after repeated usage, but based on my personal experience, I would not like to see a PSP dropped from a distance four-to-five feet high onto the pavement. You can pretty much kiss the PSP goodbye if that has ever happened to you.

By contrast, I've dropped the DS Lite three times under similar circumstances - once with the screen open - and the most that's happened to it is the typical scratch on the corner.

And I echo your sentiments about the DS's game library. Apart from Mario Kart DS, there is not one racing game that I would consider anything but a complete waste of time playing.


Unless your prone to dropping expensive equipment from four or five feet, then I think you're okay.  Also I carry my PSP around with me in a protective case anyway...but you're right....the PSP does look like it would shatter if it hit the kerb.

Regarding DS/PSP game libraries, I think this is something that should be elaborated on in a fresh post.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the age old excuse of no games for the PSP and a huge plethora of every game imaginable for the DS....I think all us gamers need some clarity. 



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

Actually, so lets get a list of general game types together so that we can make a list of each systems definitive best.

Adventure, Arcade, Board Game, Driving, Education, Fighting, Flight Sim, Platform, Puzzle, Role Playing, Shoot-Em-Up, Sports, Strategy

(As taken from Play.com) 

How does this sound? 



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

davygee said:
 

Unless your prone to dropping expensive equipment from four or five feet, then I think you're okay. Also I carry my PSP around with me in a protective case anyway...but you're right....the PSP does look like it would shatter if it hit the kerb.

Funny you should mention this: The first two times I dropped my DS it was without the protective casing. And it's not just me that is prone to dropping stuff; it's my 3-year-old son I have to look out for!

Actually, with the DS, I don't care if my son messes with it all he likes (three drops is enough to convince me that it can take the punishment), but my son definitely does not get to touch the PSP without adult supervision! It's a great machine and all, but it is fragile - my guess is simply because it has pretty delicate moving parts (the DS doesn't).



1. If the PSP has such a great game library why do their games sell so poorly in comparison to DS games? Why do game stores refuse to carry more than a third of the PSP's library because those games simply don't sell at all? Also its somewhat irrelevant which handheld has the most of each genre if they don't sell at all (As is typical on the PSP).

2. The PSP and UMDs are renowned for their poor quality and the UMDs in particular for falling apart. Just because yours is fine doesn't change the fact that you can go into any gaming store and listen to the owner tell you the horrors of dealing with the system and the UMDs. I've had my PS2 for 6 years but that doesn't change that we all know good and well its a shitty system prone to breaking because of cheap plastic parts. It's not how many units are okay, it's how many units that break that is the true measure of a system's quality. So next time anyone uses their own individual anecdotal experience with a PSP as a measure for what they think the handheld's quality is, all I can say is, don't expect more than the offer of a cookie for your personal unearned achievement in luck.