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FarleyMcFirefly on 06 February 2014

Good video!



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Goatseye on 06 February 2014
blessedswine said:
Goatseye said:
I was surprised as to why I didn't hear anything about The Order being 30 FPS.


the problem i have with people pointing out that The Order is 30 FPS is that the game isnt out yet, and that before it came out the developers are saying its 30FPS for a movie feel,  where people are bashing xb1 over not being 60fps is in multiplatform titles that do it on PS4 but not on XB1, and also any First Person Shooters that dont have it.  i can get behind a Developer doing it on a story driven game for a movie/artistic reason.

Most devs got their X1 dev kits after PS4's. Plus I can get behind any dev that does 1080/900p to smooth the overall game, instead of forcing 1080p 60fps just for the sake of it.



Vinniegambini on 06 February 2014
Imaginedvl said:
thismeintiel said:
JayWood2010 said:
fireburn95 said:
Lol that guy is probably dumber than pachter - if you can last more than 5 minutes on any of his videos you may have induced a tumour.

He isnt really wrong about what he is saying.  (He is talking about N4G)

 "If nintendo would have lost 1.1b which is over 3x more than what they lost everybody would have been talking about it, but instead nobody is talking about it."  

"The Order 1886 gets announced 30fps and  "its okay".  When microsoft announces 30fps it gets blasted."

These are both examples he uses, not mine but he is right.  He also says it isnt just the sony fanbase that does this stuff, he just believes theyre the main perpetrators of hypocricy and damage control. 

I think the difference here is that Sony announced changes that are going to fix their problems, like letting go of PC and eventually TV.  Nintendo would have given some PR talk or said "please understand."  This is why Sony's stock actually went up, not down with the news.

And to the 2nd, 30FPS is fine on an exclusive (edit: multiplats, as well), if that's what the studio aims for.  And as long as its actually stable.  However, the Xbox One is having to sacrifice resolution AND FPS to achieve visuals that are on par (quite often less so) than the PS4, most notably on multiplats.  Basically, most gamers are looking for a leap to justify their purchase and the PS4 is delivering, while making full use of their HD TVs.  It's one of the reasons the core market is flocking to Sony in a big way.

First, I hope you realized that Sony is "announcing" changes and plans to fix their problems almost every quarters? So no, it is not different and it is not because this time it "seems" to more drastic that it is a good thing. Sony is losing investors money quarters after quarters...

Second, please stop generalizing... If "most" gamers would really be looking only for that, I do not think we would have 3.4 millions Xbox One sold as of today. Even if Sony has an advantage, it is far from being "most" gamers and/or "core market" :) And Jay is right about the 30 FPS, last time I checked people were not complaining about multiplatform only (or maybe Ryse is available on another platform?), same will happen with Titanfall when we will know the FPS (if it is not 60FPS). When a game is at 30FPS on the PS4, it is very quiet and there is not a PS fans posting a thread/creating a drama every 5 minutes to talk about it like the Xbox One...

Sorry but the guy is right about the good amount of hypocricy and damage control here and there...

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Wanderlei on 06 February 2014

Fact Sony are a complete financial wreck and verging on bankruptcy . This is not some blip, it is a decade long spiral.

Sony’s Market Cap Value on September 2000: $100 billion

Sony’s Market Cap Value on January 2014; $17 billion

Net Income 2009; 1,052.10 million LOSS

Net Income 2010; 434.00 million LOSS

Net Income 2011; 2,761.70 million LOSS

Net Income 2012; 4,858.50 million LOSS

Net Income 2013; 1.100.00 million LOSS (Projected by Sony could be worse)

Worse news is they are selling assets to try and fix losses, not by being a profitable company of products they sell.

-Higher ups not receiving their bonuses
-$1.1 billion for NY HQ
-$1.2 billion for Tokyo HQ
-$437 million for DeNA
-$730 million for chemical products business
-$935 million for LCD Venture Stake to Samsung
-Shutdown Liverpool Studio, eg WipEout
-Shutdown Zipper Interactive, eg MAG, SOCOM.
-Shutdown New Jersey Manufacturing Plant After 50 Years
-Fired 10,000's from across the board

Sony forecasts $1.1bn loss
http://www.smh.com.au/business/sony-forecasts-11bn-loss-20140207-325kl.html

Sony Downgraded to ‘Junk’ Status, Shares Fall
http://www.thewrap.com/sony-debt-downgraded-junk-status-shares-fall/

Kaz just lost Sony practically the entire Japanese smart phone market.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-28/apple-won-76-of-japan-smartphone-sales-in-october-kantar-says.html

Sony cuts full-year outlook; quarterly loss widens
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sony-cuts-full-year-outlook-quarterly-loss-widens-2013-10-31

Sony Playstation division records losses as it buries PS Vita sales numbers (2012)
http://www.examiner.com/article/sony-playstation-division-records-losses-as-it-buries-ps-vita-sales-numbers

Sony bracing for biggest annual loss in a decade (2012)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-10-sony-bracing-for-biggest-annual-loss-in-a-decade

Junk Status Outlook Negative
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/20/fitch-affirms-sony-at-bb-with-negative-o-idUSFit67734820131120

Sony slashes profit outlook with TV business back in red
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/us-sony-earnings-idUSBRE99U06320131031

Sony Shares Drop 11% on Poor Earnings
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304073204579168833679539814

Sony Loses $2.2 Billion in Market Value After Forecast Cut
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-01/sony-loses-2-2-billion-in-market-value-after-hirai-forecast-cut.html

Sony lowers profit forecast dramatically after movie loss piles on the misery
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/31/sony-lowers-profit-forecast-white-house-down

Sony Cuts Profit Forecast as Film, TV Division Posts Loss
http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/sony-cuts-profit-forecast-as-pictures-slip-into-loss-1200780631/


Sony lowers profit forecast dramatically after movie loss piles on the misery
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/31/sony-lowers-profit-forecast-white-house-down

Sony Cuts Profit Forecast as Film, TV Division Posts Loss
http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/sony-cuts-profit-forecast-as-pictures-slip-into-loss-1200780631/



thismeintiel on 06 February 2014
Imaginedvl said:
thismeintiel said:
JayWood2010 said:

He isnt really wrong about what he is saying.  (He is talking about N4G)

 "If nintendo would have lost 1.1b which is over 3x more than what they lost everybody would have been talking about it, but instead nobody is talking about it."  

"The Order 1886 gets announced 30fps and  "its okay".  When microsoft announces 30fps it gets blasted."

These are both examples he uses, not mine but he is right.  He also says it isnt just the sony fanbase that does this stuff, he just believes theyre the main perpetrators of hypocricy and damage control. 

I think the difference here is that Sony announced changes that are going to fix their problems, like letting go of PC and eventually TV.  Nintendo would have given some PR talk or said "please understand."  This is why Sony's stock actually went up, not down with the news.

And to the 2nd, 30FPS is fine on an exclusive (edit: multiplats, as well), if that's what the studio aims for.  And as long as its actually stable.  However, the Xbox One is having to sacrifice resolution AND FPS to achieve visuals that are on par (quite often less so) than the PS4, most notably on multiplats.  Basically, most gamers are looking for a leap to justify their purchase and the PS4 is delivering, while making full use of their HD TVs.  It's one of the reasons the core market is flocking to Sony in a big way.

First, I hope you realized that Sony is "announcing" changes and plans to fix their problems almost every quarters? So no, it is not different and it is not because this time it "seems" to more drastic that it is a good thing. Sony is losing investors money quarters after quarters...

Second, please stop generalizing... If "most" gamers would really be looking only for that, I do not think we would have 3.4 millions Xbox One sold as of today. Even if Sony has an advantage, it is far from being "most" gamers and/or "core market" :) And Jay is right about the 30 FPS, last time I checked people were not complaining about multiplatform only (or maybe Ryse is available on another platform?), same will happen with Titanfall when we will know the FPS (if it is not 60FPS). When a game is at 30FPS on the PS4, it is very quiet and there is not a PS fans posting a thread/creating a drama every 5 minutes to talk about it like the Xbox One...

Sorry but the guy is right about the good amount of hypocricy and damage control here and there...

I think chopping off their PC and TV departments doesn't need a "seems," as it is drastic.  And apparently investors liked the decision.  At least, so far.

Even if the One has sold 3.4M, its sales are slowing much faster than the PS4s and the gap is growing every week.  One is going to sell quite a bit less in EU and will be dead on arrival in Japan.  If rumors are true, Sony took Jan NPD quite handedly.  We'll have to wait and see if that is true, but even if it isn't, MS will not win the US easily.  It will basically be tied.  So yea, most gamers are choosing the PS4.

As for Ryse, it was a very unstable 30FPS (which even dipped into the teens) AND 900P.  Again, just another example of the One's lesser power.  If Titanfall is less than 1080P, with the graphics it has now, AND 30FPS, yes it will be brought up.  And sorry, those aren't just Sony fans.  There are plenty of gamers jumping ship.  So some that may have once bashed the PS3 for its inferior multiplats are now bashing the One for its.

Of course, you also have plenty of people who spent hours in DF threads while the 360/PS3 multiplat battle raged on.  Making large deals out of little details.  But now that the PS4 is the clear winner, "only fanboys care about graphics and FPS."  Now, that's true hypocrisy.



 

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blessedswine on 06 February 2014
Goatseye said:
blessedswine said:
Goatseye said:
I was surprised as to why I didn't hear anything about The Order being 30 FPS.


the problem i have with people pointing out that The Order is 30 FPS is that the game isnt out yet, and that before it came out the developers are saying its 30FPS for a movie feel,  where people are bashing xb1 over not being 60fps is in multiplatform titles that do it on PS4 but not on XB1, and also any First Person Shooters that dont have it.  i can get behind a Developer doing it on a story driven game for a movie/artistic reason.

Most devs got their X1 dev kits after PS4's. Plus I can get behind any dev that does 1080/900p to smooth the overall game, instead of forcing 1080p 60fps just for the sake of it.

that makes little sense if they can do 1080p/60fps theres no reason not to unless its a decision for design purposes, whether its do some extra effects, or cinematic feeling, certain games just dont need 60fps, like adventure games, sport games, but FPS, racing and any game that requires alot of motion does.



Devil_Survivor on 06 February 2014
vivster said:
ninetailschris said:
vivster said:

Ok. Now I've seen the whole thing.

Summary:

- Sony fanboys are too good at promoting their platform
- Anecdotal evidence is FACT!
- Internet has too many Sony fanboys
- If an article that's not even a day old hasn't penetrated the whole internet, it was suppressed by fanboys
- I don't understand fps arguments and I don't like to look at the big picture and I only have short term memory

"You know what I been sayin'?"


This is almost on the level of a cult. Just stop. "Sony fans are to good at promoting their platform" by flagging anything not positive about the company? Does Sony pay you or something?

Nope. I do this for free and for fun :)

I think I have earned this attitude by listening to his ramblings for a whole 20 minutes.

Lol your exactly the kind of person he is talking in the video. Your reaction to this video proves that you just damage contorl for Sony and even when they don't ask you too. 



 

lt_dan_27 on 06 February 2014

Well, last time I saw something like this, it was all BS, so...



menx64 on 06 February 2014

5000 people laid off is the saddest part of the equation. I hope they all land on their feet.



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Darth Tigris on 06 February 2014

I think the standout thing to me is how the PS4 isn't profitable right away. I thought Sony is supposed to be making money one each one right now? That's what has been purported and used to down the XBO as it supposedly is more expensive and less powerful making Sony seem like the savvy hardware engineer here when in fact it's the old loss leader strategy to undercut the competition all over again that got them in hot water last gen too. I even STOOD UP for them by not taking that strategy this time around because I guess I was caught up in what this loony video is talking about.

Oh forums ... u such a mess ...