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Mr Khan on 07 May 2013
Carl2291 said:
Mr Khan said:

Mass Effect 2 is a terrible comparison, given the Mass Effect Trilogy.

Fair enough, ignore the rest of the post. How about these EA comparisons instead?

FIFA 13 Vita - 200k
FIFA 13 PSP - 140k
FIFA 13 Wii U - 70k

Madden 13 Wii - 410k
Madden 13 Vita - 250k
Madden 13 WIi U - 30k

melbye said:
0.2% of the userbase bought Mass Effect on PS3 week 1 while 2.6% of the WiiU userbase bought Mass Effect 3 week 1.

Percentage of userbase doesnt really matter when the game had dropped below 1000 units per-week, within 9 weeks.

Yes, compare day-and-date versions of the game to a delayed one (which, for a game like Madden, may well be no version at all)

Your whole argument is apples-and-oranges.



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Carl on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:

Yes, compare day-and-date versions of the game to a delayed one (which, for a game like Madden, may well be no version at all)

Your whole argument is apples-and-oranges.

Apples and oranges is far better than "Its a conspiracy!".

We are comparing what there is to compare. If you dont like the results of the comparisons, then dont draw people into arguments like this.

EA are a company trying to make money. EA games arent selling well on Wii U. EA have no incentive at all to continue support if they cant make money on the platform.



                            

Mr Khan on 07 May 2013
Carl2291 said:
Mr Khan said:

Yes, compare day-and-date versions of the game to a delayed one (which, for a game like Madden, may well be no version at all)

Your whole argument is apples-and-oranges.

Apples and oranges is far better than "Its a conspiracy!".

We are comparing what there is to compare. If you dont like the results of the comparisons, then dont draw people into arguments like this.

EA are a company trying to make money. EA games arent selling well on Wii U. EA have no incentive at all to continue support if they cant make money on the platform.

Conspiracy implies they're trying to hide it, when they're really not. This is more like a giant fanboy temper tantrum.



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Carl on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:

Conspiracy implies they're trying to hide it, when they're really not. This is more like a giant fanboy temper tantrum.


If that was the case, they wouldnt have released any games on Wii U at all.

Get over it. 

EA and Disney partnering for Star Wars games is brilliant. Criterion, DICE and BioWare are all capable developers who have made brilliant games in the last few Years. Star Wars is brilliant. 

This is brilliant news.



                            

Mr Khan on 07 May 2013
Carl2291 said:
Mr Khan said:

Conspiracy implies they're trying to hide it, when they're really not. This is more like a giant fanboy temper tantrum.


If that was the case, they wouldnt have released any games on Wii U at all.

Get over it. 

EA and Disney partnering for Star Wars games is brilliant. Criterion, DICE and BioWare are all capable developers who have made brilliant games in the last few Years. Star Wars is brilliant. 

This is brilliant news.

The temper tantrum started when it was too late to justify canning the projects. That's all.

The lack of brilliant news is because a golden license has been handed over to, hands down, the worst big player in the industry, who just happens to have some (admittedly) brilliant developers under their jackboot.



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Carl on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:

The temper tantrum started when it was too late to justify canning the projects. That's all.

The lack of brilliant news is because a golden license has been handed over to, hands down, the worst big player in the industry, who just happens to have some (admittedly) brilliant developers under their jackboot.


There is no lack of brilliant news coming from this.

EA having the license for Star Wars games isnt a bad thing... Because of the development teams they will have working on Star Wars games.

The only Publisher who I honestly think it would be equally suited for is Ubisoft.



                            

DanneSandin on 07 May 2013
Angelus said:
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Battlefield may just be an upgraded version of 3, but considering 3 was by far the best shooter in recent memory, that's just fine. Especially since console players will now finally get to experience 64 player action, like the game was meant to be played. It's going to be a high quality game.

As for Bioware, EA did rush them on DA2, but they learned their lesson and have been giving them tons of time for DA3. Mass Effect 3 was an AMAZING game, and anyone who dismisses the whole experience just because of the ending needs to have themselves checked.

I don't care for Dead Space, so no comment there, but if Bioware makes KOTOR 3, and DICE develops Battlefront 3, thise will be the best Star Wars games in like a decade.

Your first statement is a matter of taste and therefore highly subjective. I neither agree or disagree with you on this subject.

I hope EA learned their lesson in regards to DA3; I'm looking forward to it.

 



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AndrewWK on 07 May 2013
Mr Khan said:
Carl2291 said:
Mr Khan said:

Mainly lack of promotion. Who really knew the game existed? Who, owning a Wii U, would buy it if they had another console where the version was cheaper?

It wasn't as bad as Mass Effect 3, but still clearly past the point where EA was trying.


Lack of promotion is no excuse. Plenty of games get released with no promotion at all and sell hundreds of thousands of units, sometimes millions. It happened on Wii numerous times. It happened on DS. It happened on NIntendo platforms. Its happening daily with new Indie games being released with no marketing budget.

A good game will sell. It will have legs. It doesnt matter what platform it releases on. It doesnt matter if its a late port.

Need for Speed: Most Wanted is a good game. Its fun. The Wii U version is the best version of this good game. The Wii U version hasnt sold 20,000 units in 5 Weeks. What sort of message does that send to EA? Especially when the game on every other platform has sold well.

For comparison. The Vita version of the game sold 24,000 units in 1 Week. 

Lets do another EA comparison, this time with Mass Effect.

Mass Effect 2 released January 2010 on the 360. It sold over 2 Million copies in 2010 according to VGChartz. It was the 2nd game in a story driven franchise. Mass Effect 2 released January 2011 on PS3, without the original game, a Year later than the 360 version. The re-release on PS3 recieved hardly any advertisement, other than the launch trailer, and opened up with sales of 90,000 units. 10 Weeks from release the game had sold over 340,000 units. 

It was a good game. It had legs. By the end of the Year it had sold over 850,000 units. It showed promise and the future games in the series would now be released on PS platforms

Mass Effect 3 released March 2012 on PS3 and 360. It released to great critical acclaim and is considered one of the best games of 2012. The PS3 opening was over 380,000 units and the 360 opening was over 1.3 Million units. That PS3 port of ME2 clearly payed off. Now... Lets look at the Wii U release. It was a launch game for the console releasing ~8 Months after ME3 was originally released.

It sold 16,000 units Week 1 and has sold 51,000 units LTD. For comparison, the PS3 version sold 51,000 units in Week 3 and the 360 version sold 51,000 units in Week 7. Now, I know the WIi U userbase isnt exactly pushing the boat out right now in numbers... But the Wii U software performance as of right now is pathetic. 6.73 Million games have been sold on the console in ~7 Months with Nintendo Land and NSMB U taking up 3.64 Million of that total, way over half.

Developers are seeing no incentive to support the console. Especially EA. FIFA flopped. Madden flopped. Mass Effect flopped and NFS is flopping. Outside of EA the picture isnt exactly pretty. Darksiders has sold relatively poorly. Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty and Batman all sold relatively poorly. NBA has sold poorly. NG sold poorly. DQX has sold poorly.

Its not a conspiracy. Its business. The Wii U isnt selling. Games arent selling on the Wii U. Games arent being released on Wii U.

Mass Effect 2 is a terrible comparison, given the Mass Effect Trilogy.

What?? Are you serious? I mean your arguments are hilarious. The first Mass Effect game was MS only PC360 that is, and so was the 2nd at first. But then it got ported to the PS3 (not a really good port) and still sold almost 900k in one year. The Wii U got the 3rd part and you could argue that due to the of the predecessors it never had a chance but still it didn´t even sell 100k. 

But this isn´t the only example. What about NFS: MW? What about Batman? Fifa? Call of Duty? Assassin´s Creed? 

Nintedno has created this incestous enviroment where Nintendo customers only purchase their own products. And then they complain why no 3rd wants to work with them anymore. 



AndrewWK on 07 May 2013

Btw. Maybe we will see Sims Star Wars



DanneSandin on 07 May 2013
Carl2291 said:
DanneSandin said:

You're absolutely right; EA has published some great titles, and their developers have made even more great games. But, let me counter your post:

Battlefield 4 simply looks an upgraded version of BF3; no new gameplay mechanics, only prettier graphics = stagnation. Mirror's Edge was a cool concept, but have we seen a follow up yet? Have we even heard RUMORS about a sequel? No, we haven't = EA's not taking any risks = stagnation.

2 out of 3 ain't bad, but, the 3rd instalment is more telling than any of the other 2 games; EA trying to squeeze the last dime out of that game with microtransactions; the latest game is more of an action game than the survivor horror it started out like, because it was supposed to appeal a broader audience (to make moar money) it "lost its way" and just wasn't the same kind of game anymore.

And you can't really pull up Baldur's Gate in a conversation like this. That game is like 15 years old now, and made long before EA acquired BioWare. DA2 is generally seen as inferior to DA:O, SW:OR hasn't done as well as hoped, and do I really need to bring up ME:3's ending? 

All in all, it's quite easy to see how the quality of games published by EA has gotten worse and worse over the years... Or at the very least stagnated. EA is definitely the wrong publisher/developer for Star Wars! That's a franchise that needs creativity, which EA has an aboundance of, but not using... And that's the main problem here I think. EA could do wonderful things, but they don't.


We have seen one bit of gameplay from Battlefield 4. How can we judge how the game will be? We dont know what the multiplayer plans are, for example.

Fair enough, maybe it's too early to judge anything yet.

Mirrors Edge 2 is hazy, though its reported that DICE are working on it. Frank Gibeau also said the game was in development at E3 2011.

It is? That's kinda cool. Took them a while though...

The direction they went with Dead Space was hardly surprising, after the huge success Resident Evil 5 brought Capcom. Granted, RE6 fucked all that up but the RE5 model looked like a winner. They went for the RE5 model with DS3 and it just didnt work. They had high hopes, but people wanted survival horror. Its the exact same situation as Resident Evil. Youre shitting in the hand that feeds you.

That's simply another example of how EA is trying to cash in on current trends. Thanks for furthering mu points about EA; not really concerned with making the best product, but to make the most money.

Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Ill admit were a bit silly to bring up, though BioWare are still credited with them. The Baldur's Gate series is one of the best RPG series' of all time. Think of it this way - Youre writing a new CV. 15 Years ago, the company you worked for helped to create the tallest building in Europe. Would you put that work on your CV? I sure would.

Rare made a whole bunch of classic games back in the 90's... Donkey Kong Country, Golden Eye, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, and lots more. Nowadays... Not making as many classics. Developers are never better than their last game. Sad but true.

ToR, while its had a rocky Year or so is now doing great. Its a fun game and has a dedicated userbase.

I'm not denying any of that. But fact is, it's not gotten as big as they had hoped it would be, and that forced them to make it F2P. Do you think EA is thinking of it as a huge success? A game reportedly costing 100+m to make?

I generally think EA and Star Wars is a great mix. EA have the money to push out big budget Star Wars games from dev teams capable of giving a top quality experience.

I am not disagreeing with that. EA has a LOT of talent in their studios, but for the last couple of years that hasn't shown. They could make great games all the time, but to me, it seems as if they're focused on only making money.

Give them a chance!

I certainly will, but I won't hold my breathe.

Its even better news when you look at the console Star Wars offerings of the last 5 Years. LEGO milking, mediocre/poor hack n slash and a relatively poor Kinect game? Please. Aside from 1313 there has been nothing promising for consoles regarding Star Wars since LEGO Star Wars was originally released.

This I totally agree with!!





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