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JakDaSnack on 03 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Khan said:
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I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.


im sorry, but nobody will take you seriously with a statement like that.

wii dominated ps360 releasing one year after 360 and at the same time as ps3 while having MUCH inferior hardware. wii u has one year advantage and is little behind hardware wise. I know it doesnt matter what I say, you won't change your mind. but just remember not to disrespect others like you just did. If you can't prove him wrong through a vision of the future then don't say he won't be taken seriously. the wii u might dominate the others or it might be the other way around or maybe it will be balanced.

through my analyses I say wii u will dominate and at the very least you can't discard the option just like that, look at wii, 3ds and vita.

I don't get why some people can't see that it was the motion controls that made the Wii sell like it did. Without that novelty it's just another N64/Gamecube. The tablet controller just isn't as interesting as the wii mote was and it won't get the whole family to stand up and play. That's what made the Wii interesting, the active gameplay and it was accesible for everybody.

People who don't "get" Nintendo don't understand that the motion controls were not the dominant factor, it was Nintendo getting its head out of its ass regarding making mainstream software for the first time since the SNES era. Early Wii/DS era was a reflection of gen 3/4 Nintendo, late Wii/DS era, early Wii U/3DS is a reflection of gen 5/6 Nintendo.

If Nintendo gets their shit together, properly, then Wii U will certainly at least be a contender.

Edit: oh dear, now i too have been sucked in.

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

Idk what he is specifically referring to, but the gamecube had a lot of niche games, and the n64 had very few and very expensive games.  Mario galaxy was the game that every core gamer wanted, mario kart wii brought online racing, super smash bros brawl somehow did better than melee, Zelda twilight princess was a return to the dark art style that every western zelda fan was craving for.  While the motion controls were implemented in those games, they didn't need to be.  Not to mention that the wiiU still fully supports motion controls, and chances are the casuals just want another wii sports and wii fit before investing money in the wiiU.  While I agree that the tablet isn't as attractive as the wii-motes, it's not the same as tablets, it's more like having an upgraded console version DS, and the DS is the best selling console of all time.



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AnthonyW86 on 03 May 2013
JakDaSnack said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Khan said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
JakDaSnack said:

I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.


im sorry, but nobody will take you seriously with a statement like that.

wii dominated ps360 releasing one year after 360 and at the same time as ps3 while having MUCH inferior hardware. wii u has one year advantage and is little behind hardware wise. I know it doesnt matter what I say, you won't change your mind. but just remember not to disrespect others like you just did. If you can't prove him wrong through a vision of the future then don't say he won't be taken seriously. the wii u might dominate the others or it might be the other way around or maybe it will be balanced.

through my analyses I say wii u will dominate and at the very least you can't discard the option just like that, look at wii, 3ds and vita.

I don't get why some people can't see that it was the motion controls that made the Wii sell like it did. Without that novelty it's just another N64/Gamecube. The tablet controller just isn't as interesting as the wii mote was and it won't get the whole family to stand up and play. That's what made the Wii interesting, the active gameplay and it was accesible for everybody.

People who don't "get" Nintendo don't understand that the motion controls were not the dominant factor, it was Nintendo getting its head out of its ass regarding making mainstream software for the first time since the SNES era. Early Wii/DS era was a reflection of gen 3/4 Nintendo, late Wii/DS era, early Wii U/3DS is a reflection of gen 5/6 Nintendo.

If Nintendo gets their shit together, properly, then Wii U will certainly at least be a contender.

Edit: oh dear, now i too have been sucked in.

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

Idk what he is specifically referring to, but the gamecube had a lot of niche games, and the n64 had very few and very expensive games.  Mario galaxy was the game that every core gamer wanted, mario kart wii brought online racing, super smash bros brawl somehow did better than melee, Zelda twilight princess was a return to the dark art style that every western zelda fan was craving for.  While the motion controls were implemented in those games, they didn't need to be.  Not to mention that the wiiU still fully supports motion controls, and chances are the casuals just want another wii sports and wii fit before investing money in the wiiU.  While I agree that the tablet isn't as attractive as the wii-motes, it's not the same as tablets, it's more like having an upgraded console version DS, and the DS is the best selling console of all time.

Sorry but almost none of you're arguments are true in my opinion. First of all the games you mentioned are not mainstream software that made the Wii sell, both N64 and Gamecube hade the same software. Mario Galaxy? Mario 64 hade a bigger impact. Mario kart? I'll give you the online support but apart of that nothing new. Super smash brother ''somehow'' did better than Melee? What did you expect with an install base 4 times as large? Zelda Twillight Princess? Zelda: Ocarina of time, need i say more? So there is no software that made the Wii sell that it's predecessors didn't have.

Yes the Wii-U does support the motion controls of the Wii, but that's not something unique for the system is it? It isn't something new either.

And the tablet controller an upgraded version of the DS? The DS is a portable console, the Wii-U isn't.

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AnthonyW86 said:

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

wii u has the multiplatforms the ps4 and nextbox will have + countless quality exclusives, all at a lower price. if that's not enough for someone to buy it, that person is not a gamer in any sense.

He was talking about the mainstream software that made the Wii sell and not the motion controls. And again Wii-U does not seem to have the same mainstream appeal.

And Wii-U will not have all the multi-platform titles the PS4 and Nextbox will have. Once PS3 and X360 stopping getting these multi platform games and developers start focusing on the PS4 and nextbox alot will pass by the Wii-U aswell.

And even if it would get all the same multi platform titles, gamers who are mainly buying a console for those multi-platform games will buy a PS4 or the next xbox. It doesn't make any sense to buy a much weaker system for your favorite games.

So what do you end up with? Only the gamers that put Nintendo's franchises first will buy a Wii-U, aka another gamecube, with maybe a few million casuals buying it because it is ''the new Wii'' once the price is right.

 



JakDaSnack on 03 May 2013

Sorry but almost none of you're arguments are true in my opinion. First of all the games you mentioned are not mainstream software that made the Wii sell, both N64 and Gamecube hade the same software. Mario Galaxy? Mario 64 hade a bigger impact. Mario kart? I'll give you the online support but apart of that nothing new. Super smash brother ''somehow'' did better than Melee? What did you expect with an install base 4 times as large? Zelda Twillight Princess? Zelda: Ocarina of time, need i say more? So there is no software that made the Wii sell that it's predecessors didn't have.

Yes the Wii-U does support the motion controls of the Wii, but that's not something unique for the system is it? It isn't something new either.

And the tablet controller an upgraded version of the DS? The DS is a portable console, the Wii-U isn't.

Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

wii u has the multiplatforms the ps4 and nextbox will have + countless quality exclusives, all at a lower price. if that's not enough for someone to buy it, that person is not a gamer in any sense.

He was talking about the mainstream software that made the Wii sell and not the motion controls. And again Wii-U does not seem to have the same mainstream appeal.

And Wii-U will not have all the multi-platform titles the PS4 and Nextbox will have. Once PS3 and X360 stopping getting these multi platform games and developers start focusing on the PS4 and nextbox alot will pass by the Wii-U aswell.

And even if it would get all the same multi platform titles, gamers who are mainly buying a console for those multi-platform games will buy a PS4 or the next xbox. It doesn't make any sense to buy a much weaker system for your favorite games.

So what do you end up with? Only the gamers that put Nintendo's franchises first will buy a Wii-U, aka another gamecube, with maybe a few million casuals buying it because it is ''the new Wii'' once the price is right.

 

Well, that's your opinion, I think you maybe said 1-2 things that were actually true, but hey, it's all good.  



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goopy20 on 03 May 2013
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It won't outsell both and it won't be the 1st most sold console. The console with the best hardware never wins, I guess after 8 generations of gaming consoles people would already know that.

Your saying the best hardware never wins like it's a universal law. Your forgetting that it's Sony we are taking about. They have been dominating the console market for 2 decades lol. Sure they made some mistakes this gen which MS could capitalize on. Great for MS, but there is a reason why Sony has always been on top and managed to survive the current gen when everything was against them. Next gen they aren't going to make the same mistakes. They got the 3rd party support, the best exclusives, the best hardware and no doubt a kickass online service that will be at least as good as what MS will come up with.

http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg

For a game company that has been "dominating" the last 2 decades, you'd think they wouldn't have taken so many losses, i mean, at the very least you'd think they would have made at least a little more money than their direct competitor(Nintendo), but no.  In fact sony only made more money in 2 of those years, that's weird, cus you just said they had been dominating, I guess I misread what you said.

People always need to bring money and profits into the equation as some kind of defence mechanisme. Fact is ever since Sony entered the console market they crushed the competition for a reason. This gen they definetly messed up though, mostly because of arrogance and a clumsy architecture that allowed the competition to have the better looking multiplatform games, a better online service and a pricepoint that was almost half of Sony's console for a long time.

Sony won't make the same mistake twice though and this it seems like MS is getting cocky: forcing Kinect, always online, subscription fees etc. At the same time Nintendo is already out of the race before it even started if you ask me. It's selling like 30k units a week now, let alone when the real next gen consoles/ game engines hit the market. LEts be optimistic and say Wii-U sales remain as they are, then we are looking at around 8m units sold over a period of 6 years... 

 

So much wrong in your statement, I don't know where to begin.

The Wii-U isn't being outsold 4:1 by a current gen console? And people aren't pissed because of all the next gen Xbox rumours?

Off course nobody knows what will happen, but since we are speculating, Sony seems in a pretty good place at the moment. People also seem to forget that it's very rare for 2 consoles in a generation to sell such equal numbers. I honestly don't think MS can pull that off a second time under different conditions (no year headstart, no superior looking multiplatform games, not alone with teamspeak, no price advantage etc.) MS really needs exclusive AAA IP's now and they didn't really succeed in building those with the 360.

LOLOLOLOL, so now you think the xbox rumors are just rumors instead of fact?  lol stop changing your mind.

Like I said if the rumours are true, then we are looking at a very dominant position for Sony, maybe 80%. If MS can blow everyone away at E3 with new exclusive Ip's, good hardware and "the always online" being not true then it will be more even though. Keep in mind that I look at this whole console war through the eyes of a gamer. For me the most dominant console is the one that most people will play, not the one that makes the most money.  

Ok, I'll stop trolling because you are making some good points, my initial statement was in reference to what you initially said, everything since then has been very reasonable.  The biggest thing that caught my attention initially was that you said "optimistically" the wiiU would be able to continue to sell 30k units a week for the next few years, that's a joke considering they have no high quality titles out yet, and when they do have high quality titles out those numbers will likely go to 100k+ per week(on average) for many years.  Will the wiiU outsell the ps4, well that depends on what sony and Nintendo do over the next few years, but I think the wiiU has a decent shot.  

But everything else you said is right, MS could easily blow it with these rumors, idk if Sony will get 80% marketshare though, Maybe 45% Sony, 35% Nintendo and 20% Xbox, but it's impossible to say at this point, I could easily see Nintendo taking 45% of the market share instead of Sony, if they do something similar as they did with the 3ds, do a huge price cut, do another ambassador program and then launch a bunch of high quality titles around the same time as the ps4 and 720 launch.

All I know is that the Wii-U isn't catching on like the Wii did. Sure there is a loyal fanbase who might be waiting for Zelda but who knows how long that will take? Miyamota allready said that it's going to take a while and when the next gen hits, the core gamers might not even care anymore.

The biggest problem with the Wii-U is that it's focussing more on the core market again, who care a lot more about big profile 3rd party games like COD. This will be a problem when those next gen games (most of them probably running on the Unreal 4 engine) can't be ported to the Wii-U. They might still have a shot though, but only if they focus purely on the casual market and do a serious price drop. 

Personally I don't see the Wii-U really competing in the next gen market, but more with the ps3 and the $100 Xbox lite that is also coming out. Big profile core games like: GTA, COD, MGS, etc. will probably have a 5% marketshare on the Wii-U, if they even come out at all.

I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.

Casuals gamers are called casual for a reason. They aren't as fanatic as core gamers and most probably forgot about their Wii that has been collecting dust in the basement for years now. These kind of people aren't as hyped about a new Wii, hence the poor console sales and poor software sales (including Nintendo Land). I understand that as a Nintendo fan you expect wonders from a game like Pikmin, but that game sold like 1,5m on the Gamecube lol.

Also, like I said there is a reason why the AAA core games aren't on the Wii-U and why they aren't coming either. The graphical leap is large enough or do you think Epic and Dice would say that their next gen engines aren't coming to the Wii-U just for giggles? Maybe it will take 2 years before the masses migrate from this gen to next gen, but it's just a matter of time before next gen hardware will be the main focus for developers. When that happens the Wii-U, along with the ps3 and 360, will just be left to far behind to appeal to the core gamers.



JakDaSnack on 03 May 2013
goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
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goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
RazorDragon said:

It won't outsell both and it won't be the 1st most sold console. The console with the best hardware never wins, I guess after 8 generations of gaming consoles people would already know that.

Your saying the best hardware never wins like it's a universal law. Your forgetting that it's Sony we are taking about. They have been dominating the console market for 2 decades lol. Sure they made some mistakes this gen which MS could capitalize on. Great for MS, but there is a reason why Sony has always been on top and managed to survive the current gen when everything was against them. Next gen they aren't going to make the same mistakes. They got the 3rd party support, the best exclusives, the best hardware and no doubt a kickass online service that will be at least as good as what MS will come up with.

http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg

For a game company that has been "dominating" the last 2 decades, you'd think they wouldn't have taken so many losses, i mean, at the very least you'd think they would have made at least a little more money than their direct competitor(Nintendo), but no.  In fact sony only made more money in 2 of those years, that's weird, cus you just said they had been dominating, I guess I misread what you said.

People always need to bring money and profits into the equation as some kind of defence mechanisme. Fact is ever since Sony entered the console market they crushed the competition for a reason. This gen they definetly messed up though, mostly because of arrogance and a clumsy architecture that allowed the competition to have the better looking multiplatform games, a better online service and a pricepoint that was almost half of Sony's console for a long time.

Sony won't make the same mistake twice though and this it seems like MS is getting cocky: forcing Kinect, always online, subscription fees etc. At the same time Nintendo is already out of the race before it even started if you ask me. It's selling like 30k units a week now, let alone when the real next gen consoles/ game engines hit the market. LEts be optimistic and say Wii-U sales remain as they are, then we are looking at around 8m units sold over a period of 6 years... 

 

So much wrong in your statement, I don't know where to begin.

The Wii-U isn't being outsold 4:1 by a current gen console? And people aren't pissed because of all the next gen Xbox rumours?

Off course nobody knows what will happen, but since we are speculating, Sony seems in a pretty good place at the moment. People also seem to forget that it's very rare for 2 consoles in a generation to sell such equal numbers. I honestly don't think MS can pull that off a second time under different conditions (no year headstart, no superior looking multiplatform games, not alone with teamspeak, no price advantage etc.) MS really needs exclusive AAA IP's now and they didn't really succeed in building those with the 360.

LOLOLOLOL, so now you think the xbox rumors are just rumors instead of fact?  lol stop changing your mind.

Like I said if the rumours are true, then we are looking at a very dominant position for Sony, maybe 80%. If MS can blow everyone away at E3 with new exclusive Ip's, good hardware and "the always online" being not true then it will be more even though. Keep in mind that I look at this whole console war through the eyes of a gamer. For me the most dominant console is the one that most people will play, not the one that makes the most money.  

Ok, I'll stop trolling because you are making some good points, my initial statement was in reference to what you initially said, everything since then has been very reasonable.  The biggest thing that caught my attention initially was that you said "optimistically" the wiiU would be able to continue to sell 30k units a week for the next few years, that's a joke considering they have no high quality titles out yet, and when they do have high quality titles out those numbers will likely go to 100k+ per week(on average) for many years.  Will the wiiU outsell the ps4, well that depends on what sony and Nintendo do over the next few years, but I think the wiiU has a decent shot.  

But everything else you said is right, MS could easily blow it with these rumors, idk if Sony will get 80% marketshare though, Maybe 45% Sony, 35% Nintendo and 20% Xbox, but it's impossible to say at this point, I could easily see Nintendo taking 45% of the market share instead of Sony, if they do something similar as they did with the 3ds, do a huge price cut, do another ambassador program and then launch a bunch of high quality titles around the same time as the ps4 and 720 launch.

All I know is that the Wii-U isn't catching on like the Wii did. Sure there is a loyal fanbase who might be waiting for Zelda but who knows how long that will take? Miyamota allready said that it's going to take a while and when the next gen hits, the core gamers might not even care anymore.

The biggest problem with the Wii-U is that it's focussing more on the core market again, who care a lot more about big profile 3rd party games like COD. This will be a problem when those next gen games (most of them probably running on the Unreal 4 engine) can't be ported to the Wii-U. They might still have a shot though, but only if they focus purely on the casual market and do a serious price drop. 

Personally I don't see the Wii-U really competing in the next gen market, but more with the ps3 and the $100 Xbox lite that is also coming out. Big profile core games like: GTA, COD, MGS, etc. will probably have a 5% marketshare on the Wii-U, if they even come out at all.

I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.

Casuals gamers are called casual for a reason. They aren't as fanatic as core gamers and most probably forgot about their Wii that has been collecting dust in the basement for years now. These kind of people aren't as hyped about a new Wii, hence the poor console sales and poor software sales (including Nintendo Land). I understand that as a Nintendo fan you expect wonders from a game like Pikmin, but that game sold like 1,5m on the Gamecube lol.

I think you've been listening to Pachter for too long HAHAHA, their is no logical proof that points to casuals not willing to buy a wiiU when the casual games come out.  NintendoLand isn't wii-sports, that's it.  I don't expect wonders from a game like pikmin lol, you act like i'm some biased fanboy haha, far from the truth, Pikmin will just help with sales, it's currently selling around 30k a week, once games like pikmin 3 and wonderful 101 come up, the new base will likely be around 50k, still not great, but it's an improvement.

Also, like I said there is a reason why the AAA core games aren't on the Wii-U and why they aren't coming either. The graphical leap is large enough or do you think Epic and Dice would say that their next gen engines aren't coming to the Wii-U just for giggles? Maybe it will take 2 years before the masses migrate from this gen to next gen, but it's just a matter of time before next gen hardware will be the main focus for developers. When that happens the Wii-U, along with the ps3 and 360, will just be left to far behind to appeal to the core gamers.

While that is true, keep in mind, it costs a ton more to develop games now than it did last gen.  AAA core games will have to come out for the ps3/360/wiiU for many years until the ps4 and 720 have an established user base, and that could take 4-5 years, at which time the wii-Z could be coming out lol. At any rate, it's impossible to tell how things will turn out at this point in time, Nintendo-haters like to act like the wiiU is doomed because of current sales, but the reality is that the 3ds turned things around with software/price cut and that nintendo can easily do the same for the wiiU.



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D-Minaj225 on 03 May 2013
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

wii u has the multiplatforms the ps4 and nextbox will have + countless quality exclusives, all at a lower price. if that's not enough for someone to buy it, that person is not a gamer in any sense.

Definition of GAMER

1
: a player who is game; especially : an athlete who relishes competition
2
: a person who plays games; especially : a person who regularly plays computer or video games


this comment irked me, people don't want the system because they may not find it appealing to their tastes it's all preferences



 

AnthonyW86 on 03 May 2013
D-Minaj225 said:
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

wii u has the multiplatforms the ps4 and nextbox will have + countless quality exclusives, all at a lower price. if that's not enough for someone to buy it, that person is not a gamer in any sense.

Definition of GAMER

1
: a player who is game; especially : an athlete who relishes competition
2
: a person who plays games; especially : a person who regularly plays computer or video games


this comment irked me, people don't want the system because they may not find it appealing to their tastes it's all preferences

Indeed, there is only a difference in the games themselves. And if the games they play are available on all three systems i really think the Wii-U will be the last in line to play them on.



Max King of the Wild on 03 May 2013
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

What mainstream software are you reffering to? The Mii games like Wii sports and Wii Fit all centered around the controllers they came with. Again without these controllers the Wii would not have been appealing to casuals. The only thing Wii-U has is the tablet controller but people aren't really atracted to that, they have been playing games on tablets for years now. And again it's not an active type of gameplay like with the Wii mote or the Wii fit.

wii u has the multiplatforms the ps4 and nextbox will have + countless quality exclusives, all at a lower price. if that's not enough for someone to buy it, that person is not a gamer in any sense.


I guess there are less than 3mil real gamers world wide then



Zero999 on 03 May 2013

He was talking about the mainstream software that made the Wii sell and not the motion controls. And again Wii-U does not seem to have the same mainstream appeal.

And Wii-U will not have all the multi-platform titles the PS4 and Nextbox will have. Once PS3 and X360 stopping getting these multi platform games and developers start focusing on the PS4 and nextbox alot will pass by the Wii-U aswell.

And even if it would get all the same multi platform titles, gamers who are mainly buying a console for those multi-platform games will buy a PS4 or the next xbox. It doesn't make any sense to buy a much weaker system for your favorite games.

So what do you end up with? Only the gamers that put Nintendo's franchises first will buy a Wii-U, aka another gamecube, with maybe a few million casuals buying it because it is ''the new Wii'' once the price is right.

 

bolded 1: if you think third party's won't port 8th generation games to wii u (if it doesn't become the leading platform) you are delusional. companys like money, a wii u port will give them more money, it's pretty simple.

bolded 2: wii u isn't much weaker than their future competitors and your will isn't gonna change that unless you develop curé syndrome. a gamer who buys a console for multiplatform will get the cheaper console with the best exclusives, a.k.a wii u. In case you didn't notice, when someone plays a videogame there isn't a magical screen that makes a side by side comparison with other consoles so you can see wich has 10 more pixels. As you stated, these people want the multiplatforms so any console that has them is an option and wii u is the cheapest one.



goopy20 on 03 May 2013
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It won't outsell both and it won't be the 1st most sold console. The console with the best hardware never wins, I guess after 8 generations of gaming consoles people would already know that.

Your saying the best hardware never wins like it's a universal law. Your forgetting that it's Sony we are taking about. They have been dominating the console market for 2 decades lol. Sure they made some mistakes this gen which MS could capitalize on. Great for MS, but there is a reason why Sony has always been on top and managed to survive the current gen when everything was against them. Next gen they aren't going to make the same mistakes. They got the 3rd party support, the best exclusives, the best hardware and no doubt a kickass online service that will be at least as good as what MS will come up with.

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For a game company that has been "dominating" the last 2 decades, you'd think they wouldn't have taken so many losses, i mean, at the very least you'd think they would have made at least a little more money than their direct competitor(Nintendo), but no.  In fact sony only made more money in 2 of those years, that's weird, cus you just said they had been dominating, I guess I misread what you said.

People always need to bring money and profits into the equation as some kind of defence mechanisme. Fact is ever since Sony entered the console market they crushed the competition for a reason. This gen they definetly messed up though, mostly because of arrogance and a clumsy architecture that allowed the competition to have the better looking multiplatform games, a better online service and a pricepoint that was almost half of Sony's console for a long time.

Sony won't make the same mistake twice though and this it seems like MS is getting cocky: forcing Kinect, always online, subscription fees etc. At the same time Nintendo is already out of the race before it even started if you ask me. It's selling like 30k units a week now, let alone when the real next gen consoles/ game engines hit the market. LEts be optimistic and say Wii-U sales remain as they are, then we are looking at around 8m units sold over a period of 6 years... 

 

So much wrong in your statement, I don't know where to begin.

The Wii-U isn't being outsold 4:1 by a current gen console? And people aren't pissed because of all the next gen Xbox rumours?

Off course nobody knows what will happen, but since we are speculating, Sony seems in a pretty good place at the moment. People also seem to forget that it's very rare for 2 consoles in a generation to sell such equal numbers. I honestly don't think MS can pull that off a second time under different conditions (no year headstart, no superior looking multiplatform games, not alone with teamspeak, no price advantage etc.) MS really needs exclusive AAA IP's now and they didn't really succeed in building those with the 360.

LOLOLOLOL, so now you think the xbox rumors are just rumors instead of fact?  lol stop changing your mind.

Like I said if the rumours are true, then we are looking at a very dominant position for Sony, maybe 80%. If MS can blow everyone away at E3 with new exclusive Ip's, good hardware and "the always online" being not true then it will be more even though. Keep in mind that I look at this whole console war through the eyes of a gamer. For me the most dominant console is the one that most people will play, not the one that makes the most money.  

Ok, I'll stop trolling because you are making some good points, my initial statement was in reference to what you initially said, everything since then has been very reasonable.  The biggest thing that caught my attention initially was that you said "optimistically" the wiiU would be able to continue to sell 30k units a week for the next few years, that's a joke considering they have no high quality titles out yet, and when they do have high quality titles out those numbers will likely go to 100k+ per week(on average) for many years.  Will the wiiU outsell the ps4, well that depends on what sony and Nintendo do over the next few years, but I think the wiiU has a decent shot.  

But everything else you said is right, MS could easily blow it with these rumors, idk if Sony will get 80% marketshare though, Maybe 45% Sony, 35% Nintendo and 20% Xbox, but it's impossible to say at this point, I could easily see Nintendo taking 45% of the market share instead of Sony, if they do something similar as they did with the 3ds, do a huge price cut, do another ambassador program and then launch a bunch of high quality titles around the same time as the ps4 and 720 launch.

All I know is that the Wii-U isn't catching on like the Wii did. Sure there is a loyal fanbase who might be waiting for Zelda but who knows how long that will take? Miyamota allready said that it's going to take a while and when the next gen hits, the core gamers might not even care anymore.

The biggest problem with the Wii-U is that it's focussing more on the core market again, who care a lot more about big profile 3rd party games like COD. This will be a problem when those next gen games (most of them probably running on the Unreal 4 engine) can't be ported to the Wii-U. They might still have a shot though, but only if they focus purely on the casual market and do a serious price drop. 

Personally I don't see the Wii-U really competing in the next gen market, but more with the ps3 and the $100 Xbox lite that is also coming out. Big profile core games like: GTA, COD, MGS, etc. will probably have a 5% marketshare on the Wii-U, if they even come out at all.

I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.

Casuals gamers are called casual for a reason. They aren't as fanatic as core gamers and most probably forgot about their Wii that has been collecting dust in the basement for years now. These kind of people aren't as hyped about a new Wii, hence the poor console sales and poor software sales (including Nintendo Land). I understand that as a Nintendo fan you expect wonders from a game like Pikmin, but that game sold like 1,5m on the Gamecube lol.

I think you've been listening to Pachter for too long HAHAHA, their is no logical proof that points to casuals not willing to buy a wiiU when the casual games come out.  NintendoLand isn't wii-sports, that's it.  I don't expect wonders from a game like pikmin lol, you act like i'm some biased fanboy haha, far from the truth, Pikmin will just help with sales, it's currently selling around 30k a week, once games like pikmin 3 and wonderful 101 come up, the new base will likely be around 50k, still not great, but it's an improvement.

Also, like I said there is a reason why the AAA core games aren't on the Wii-U and why they aren't coming either. The graphical leap is large enough or do you think Epic and Dice would say that their next gen engines aren't coming to the Wii-U just for giggles? Maybe it will take 2 years before the masses migrate from this gen to next gen, but it's just a matter of time before next gen hardware will be the main focus for developers. When that happens the Wii-U, along with the ps3 and 360, will just be left to far behind to appeal to the core gamers.

While that is true, keep in mind, it costs a ton more to develop games now than it did last gen.  AAA core games will have to come out for the ps3/360/wiiU for many years until the ps4 and 720 have an established user base, and that could take 4-5 years, at which time the wii-Z could be coming out lol. At any rate, it's impossible to tell how things will turn out at this point in time, Nintendo-haters like to act like the wiiU is doomed because of current sales, but the reality is that the 3ds turned things around with software/price cut and that nintendo can easily do the same for the wiiU.

Your right, games will be more expensive to develop. However do you seriously believe we won't see any true next gen games for 5 years? Every new console in history has had plenty of games from day one. It's not like we were getting HD ports of ps2 games, the first 3 years after the ps3 launched. In fact, as soon as the ps4 comes out the ps3 will lose all it's appeal, pretty much like what happened with the ps2 when the ps3 came out. The ps3 luanched in 2007 and just look at how many ps2 games sold more then 2m copies in 2008: http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS2&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

What's interesting for developers is the lack of competition when the next gen starts. That's why games like Resistance 1 and Motor Storm 1 sold around 4 million copies, while the sequals never reached those kind of sales. But I agree, we don't know what will happen with the Wii-U. It could end up being very succesful, but any 6 year old can predict that it's not going to be a big player in the core gaming market though.