| ChristianSoldier said: PS4 -50 million Wii U- 55 million NextBox-60 million |
I really hope that's your totals till Wii U2 comes out and you expect another 70mil amongst the three
maxnyc said:
You're obviously done here, because you don't have 1 legitimate counter-point or argument. |
You want one good counterpoint? I want one good point to start with.
But, I guess... if I have to counter the argument that I've been present with then...
MY HATS MADE OUT OF CLOTH! Take that!
BURNED!
JakDaSnack said:
Change the subject, yes, completely change it no. I argued your point, then gave a new point. That is how debating works, and i never said that sales mattered when the wii was dominating, don't put words in my mouth. |
I didn't say you specifically. Don't be a hypocrite. Just a generalization. Most people (especially Xbox fans) wanted to talk straight sales until PS3 started getting so close that it became inevitable that it would pass 360. Now that it looks like it may pass Wii I see man Nintendo fans (which I am) people are starting to talk profitability. People should at least stay consistant. If sales is what we're talking about then we're not talking about profit. Nintendo wins in profit that's obvious. Hell even when their home consoles aren't going so well their handhelds make a killing (see GC and GBA). There's no debate there so no reason to talk about it other than to pat Nintendo on the back.
Max King of the Wild said:
So we are ignoring the Ps3 was selling higher than 500k a month for the first 3 months already? ignoring my first point its 6mil... plus another quarter mil... lets just round down a quarter mil because that's not significant at all /rolls eyes. So you think the holidays will just boost the Ps3 by 2mil? And... why exactly? 360 and Ps3 shipped about 5.9mil consoles last holiday... thats a lot more than 2mil. I mean, according to VGC the Ps3 has already sold 2.57 mil in less than 4 months and we know from NPD and others that is undertracked. In your estimates the Ps3 only needs another 5.43mil in 36 weeks... heres a hint. In the last 12 weeks the Ps3 will sell nearly all of that |
bolded1: it's not higher right now. bolded2: LAST year. bolded3: did you even read read my post? 6M equals what ps3 is selling weekly x 48 = 1 year/ 12 months. then I added an EXTRA 2 million for holydays. I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL ONLY SELL 2M ON THE LAST 3 MONTHS. it's a regular quarter + 2M.
About 1.5 million the first 3 quarters then 1.5 + 2 on the last = 8M the year. Is it clear now? because you can't use lack of explanation as an excuse anymore.
platformmaster918 said:
I didn't say you specifically. Don't be a hypocrite. Just a generalization. Most people (especially Xbox fans) wanted to talk straight sales until PS3 started getting so close that it became inevitable that it would pass 360. Now that it looks like it may pass Wii I see man Nintendo fans (which I am) people are starting to talk profitability. People should at least stay consistant. If sales is what we're talking about then we're not talking about profit. Nintendo wins in profit that's obvious. Hell even when their home consoles aren't going so well their handhelds make a killing (see GC and GBA). There's no debate there so no reason to talk about it other than to pat Nintendo on the back. |
How am I being a hypocrite? Anyways, fair enough, we don't have to talk about how much money they make, but i still made a point about the ps2 being 150 and the ps3 being 250, which you never mentioned:P
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| Max King of the Wild said: I don't think you remember clearly. First of all the Wii lacked 3rd party support from the very begining because the ps3 was suppose to win from the start again and Nintendo had damaged their relations with 3rd party due to N64 and GC. As for most of the 3rd part titles the Wii did get they werent quality titles. They were either niche (the game maybe quality but not the title) or the game flat out sucked. |
And that's a clear hater speech. then every third pary title ps3 got weren't quality games( the title maybe but not the game).
JakDaSnack said:
For a game company that has been "dominating" the last 2 decades, you'd think they wouldn't have taken so many losses, i mean, at the very least you'd think they would have made at least a little more money than their direct competitor(Nintendo), but no. In fact sony only made more money in 2 of those years, that's weird, cus you just said they had been dominating, I guess I misread what you said. |
People always need to bring money and profits into the equation as some kind of defence mechanisme. Fact is ever since Sony entered the console market they crushed the competition for a reason. This gen they definetly messed up though, mostly because of arrogance and a clumsy architecture that allowed the competition to have the better looking multiplatform games, a better online service and a pricepoint that was almost half of Sony's console for a long time.
Sony won't make the same mistake twice though and this it seems like MS is getting cocky: forcing Kinect, always online, subscription fees etc. At the same time Nintendo is already out of the race before it even started if you ask me. It's selling like 30k units a week now, let alone when the real next gen consoles/ game engines hit the market. LEts be optimistic and say Wii-U sales remain as they are, then we are looking at around 8m units sold over a period of 6 years...
Max King of the Wild said:
You want one good counterpoint? I want one good point to start with. MY HATS MADE OUT OF CLOTH! Take that! |
Ok, let's start over & maybe you can follow me this time. Sony is in awful shape as a company, they've literally had to sell their NY & Tokyo headquarters to stay afloat. They simply CANNOT afford to sell the ps4 at a loss. Yet they also CANNOT sell the ps4 for a very high price point (just look at the ps3 launch or vita as examples of high price point = low sales). Sony has stated they will have 8gb DDR5 RAM in the ps4, which will be expensive (no matter how great you think Sony engineering is). Therefore, i'm failing to understand how Sony will successfully launch a powerful system, that will be priced reasonably for a mass market (in a declining economy)? How does that somehow work out for them? Either they take a massive loss on hardware sales (& literally risk going out of business because of it), or ps4 will be very expensive, which i believe will lead to very low sales.
The reason i brought up Vita is- First, you claimed that Sony won't fail "marketshare wise", but if you look Vita IS failing quite badly actually. And Vita shows a strategy on the part of Sony to make a powerful, but expensive system, which seems likely to continue with the ps4. If Sony is following the same path with the ps4, then how will it work out differently than the Vita?
Zero999 said:
bolded1: it's not higher right now. bolded2: LAST year. bolded3: did you even read read my post? 6M equals what ps3 is selling weekly x 48 = 1 year/ 12 months. then I added an EXTRA 2 million for holydays. I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL ONLY SELL 2M ON THE LAST 3 MONTHS. it's a regular quarter + 2M. About 1.5 million the first 3 quarters then 1.5 + 2 on the last = 8M the year. Is it clear now? because you can't use lack of explanation as an excuse anymore. |
It's going to sell more than 3.5mil in the 4th quarter. I don't know what to tell you other than that. It will probably sell 5 million.
| platformmaster918 said: So you'd completely change the subject? Seems like a good strategy I guess. Funny how sales mattered when Wii was dominating. |
funny how sales stopped mattering after the ps2 and magically mattered again when ps3 FINALY started doing better.
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