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Netyaroze said:
Mnementh said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Mnementh said:

Wii has a feature (WiiConnect24 I think) that puts the console in low-power-mode once powering down that keeps the console connected to the Internet. It downloads messages and stuff for the NintendoChannel in this mode. Was Nintendo creating the future here? Who avoided to buy a Wii because of this?

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It's not the same though. What we are looking at here is the fact that you will not be able to play a game AT ALL unless you are connected to the internet ... even singleplayer. What this effectively does is add hundreds of pounds to the cost of playing games on the 720. I've had my PS3 for 3 years now and for 2 of those years I played games even though I had no internet, and the reason for that is that I couldn't afford the £25 a month (£300 a year) to do that.

The point is, we have so far wild speculations based on rumors. Surely it would suck, if you can play games only if you're online. Also the comments of this Orth-guy were pretty stupid and the shitstorm was justified. But seeing endless discussions about a speculation seems to lead to far. It is simple as that: if MS implements a DRM, that needs you to be online while playing even single-player, then they shall get every hate possible and I hope the sales will suffer. But the rumors of always on and always connected can be really many other things.

So I think it is OK to say, that IF MS considers such a restriction on gaming they should go to hell. But the discussion should also accept, that we don't even know if MS even considers this.


Its still a hypothetical situation. But if you take everything into account:

 

Random rumors popping up over months recently: Edge reporting, XBox leaked docs, Kotaku, Oarth and no denial or official response to that, its logical that people start to talk about it and start taking it seriously.

Edge said it, yes. Xbox leaked docs talk about always on, that is basically what I talked in the OP about. Kotaku - who said this:

"That said, a caution and a caveat: other sources familiar with the codenamed Durango console have told us that they are still unaware of any Microsoft plans regarding an online requirement. No one has been able to say it's not true and some have speculated that this is required at the operating system level and therefore isn't something Microsoft has to tell all developers or retail partners. Microsoft also has the ability to change this type of requirement seemingly at a moment's notice through changes in firmware or networking infrastructure."

Orth was making stupid remarks about always on, this may or may not be based on knowledge about Nextbox, but even if it is based on that - that can again lead to the feature I showed in the OP. So, nothing substantial at all.



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ironmanDX said:
Wow, I'm so sick of these rumours being bought up again and again and again. Sony are the one with the patent, no one says anything, as said above, all 3 consoles from the previous gen can do it and nothing, nothing negative anyway. In my view, it's really not going to be as bad as people are making it out to be. Microsoft aren't stupid, you know that, right?


Sony makes tons of patents most of which they never use. I guess you are refering to no second hand games due to rfid chips in disc patent ? 

That has nothing to do with always on requirement. And MS is known for bold moves its possible they think its more beneficial for their strategy this way.



What is next? Can't use Gold when I am not online? Can't play my Halo with friends when I am not online? Tss!



 

Mnementh said:

Edge said it, yes. Xbox leaked docs talk about always on, that is basically what I talked in the OP about. Kotaku - who said this:

"That said, a caution and a caveat: other sources familiar with the codenamed Durango console have told us that they are still unaware of any Microsoft plans regarding an online requirement. No one has been able to say it's not true and some have speculated that this is required at the operating system level and therefore isn't something Microsoft has to tell all developers or retail partners. Microsoft also has the ability to change this type of requirement seemingly at a moment's notice through changes in firmware or networking infrastructure."

Orth was making stupid remarks about always on, this may or may not be based on knowledge about Nextbox, but even if it is based on that - that can again lead to the feature I showed in the OP. So, nothing substantial at all.


Nothing substantial ? Well as far as rumors go it won't get any more substantial than this. People talk about way less.

 

Its not confirmed but strongly rumored.

 

Nope Oarths comments are NOT aimed at that.

 

His analogy was basically: Vacuums still NEED eletricity to work why are people upset about an always on requirement.

This clearly suggest he is talking not about an optional always on like Wii  but about ghe kind where you NEED to be connected.Like a Vacuum that NEEDS electricity.

If this was based on knowledge of the XBOX or just a general opinion to always on REQUIREMENTS we don't know yet but he definetly did not talk about always on like Wii Connect 24 or PS4 because nobody is upset about this and his Vacuum analogy would be pointless since the Xbox wouldn't need to be connected to work in that kind of always on. And he could've easily cleared up the shitstorm just by saying "Thats not the kind of always online I meant" 

 



Lostplanet22 said:
What is next? Can't use Gold when I am not online? Can't play my Halo with friends when I am not online? Tss!


Why do some people act as though they don't understand the concerns of the rest  ? All of that needs being connected, playing Bioshock Infinite not.



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Does the Wii have a mandatory camera and mic to spy on you 24/7 aswell? Microsoft is way out of their league.



Buts its not mandatory to be connected to play games on the wii. I've always had fairly solid internet connection but every now and again it goes down or my xbox has problems connecting. That would render my xbox720 useless..

For me its not a deal killer... But it does make the ps4 a far more appealing option. If both both ps4/720 had the feature I would still end up buying one of the systems.



teigaga said:
Buts its not mandatory to be connected to play games on the wii. I've always had fairly solid internet connection but every now and again it goes down or my xbox has problems connecting. That would render my xbox720 useless..

For me its not a deal killer... But it does make the ps4 a far more appealing option. If both both ps4/720 had the feature I would still end up buying one of the systems.

As I said, IF the Nextbox needs to be online to play games it would be a deal-killer. But at the moment that's a more or less unlikely rumor. That is my OP pointing at, that the most people talk about could be in the end a feature similar to what the Wii does.



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I understand people's concerns regarding the always online (as long as it's wifi I wouldn't care) but I'm waiting for the official reveal before commenting on how smart/stupid the idea is - if it's the case at all.

I have heard rumour MS is working with cable companies to have them subsidize the cost of the 720. IE: Sign up for two years of _______ internet service and get a 720 for $99!! In this particular case, it's to the internet supplier's interest for the 720 to require an online connection. So it's possible it may only be required on 720s sold/given in this manner but not ones you pay full price for.

But we simply don't know at the point.



 

OMG! I just found out today my internet connection requires me to be online all the time in order to use it. Nobody told me that!