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ethomaz said:

fillet said:


The news is that ethomaz is trying to make nvidia look bad and generally making a sub-standard effort to mislead. I can't believe he didn't notice the non linear scale on the vertical axis of the graph. That instantly voids the silly zooming in showing the Geforce TiTAN is only slightly more powerful than the next gen consoles. :D

that gap is indeed 3x, I wouldn't be surprised if ethomaz thinks his local grocery store is 2x the size it is because of those mirrors that are placed at the end of food sections too. :p

The graph is not mime... put all your hate in nVidia

I didn't give opinion in the OP... all the news was released by nVidia presentation in Japan.

PS I'm a nVidia fanboy and never bought a AMD GPU even when the AMD had better GPUs than nVidia.


I'd have thought it would have been a bette idea just to make fun out of the article then instead of posting it without an opinion added. Anyone can see that the graph is ridiculous.

Nvidia are fools for making it - but only because they must have had a mentally challenged person draw it up. I've heard of making graphs with non-linear axis to misrepresent a product to make it look better, but they've gone the opposite way and made it look worse.

That small gap showing 3x performance should be magnified approximately 300 HUNDRED TIMES if using the scale of the first 1-10 segment.

I'm starting to wonder though if that is actually their graph!!? It has to be one of the stupidest most idiotc retarded graphs ever devised in the history of graphs!



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twilight_link said:
Daisuke72 said:
twilight_link said:

mid-end gaming PC now (months before its launch), low-end gaming PC in few years, platform flushed with horrible looking ports of PC games mostly with bad frame rate and or low resolution.

The PS4 buzz stinks with Vita type fiasco, platform hyped by many bought by few.

 

Steam Box if done properly can wipe the floor with PS4


Low resolution? The PS4 runs game in a native 1080P. ALL consumer TVs that don't cost an arm and a leg(the 4K ones) maximum resolutions are 1080P. Console gaming is mean to be done on a TV, not on a computer monitor, where you can buy monitors with better resolutions than that. So as it stands, 1080P is the highest mainstream resolution available right now, why would they aim for something higher, and since WHEN did 1080P become low resolution gaming? You're not even a good hater, because good haters at least try to make sense. And let's not pretend that PC doesn't get shitty ports either, because it happens all the fucking time. 

 

The PS Vita had no hype outside the Internet, at all. Some of my friends never even heard of the Vita, and yet ALL of my friends know about the PS4 and are getting one. Also, if the PS3 is selling 100K a week worldwide at $250+ there's  clearly a demand for Playstation consoles. Once again, try harder.

 

Steam box won't wipe the floor with consoles, ever. The average gamer isn't computer literate enough for the steam box, and really the idea of upgrading your consoles when you want would confuse the fuck out of some. The steam box has NO exclusives, fuck, if I'm right then it'd be essentially like a normal gaming PC. There's no demand for it, only Valve fanboys and some PC Gamers will buy it.

 

Once again, try harder, improve.

higher complexity of graphics will force developers to some sacrifice so the resolution will be scaled down, remember the PS4 is only mid-end PC it has low-end CPU and mid-end GPU nothing more or less.

As for Playstation brand, well your evidence is meaningless and even this speaks volume about brand recognition, the problem with Playstation crowd is they are interested only in what is cool this matter for them, so their portable handheld  was overshadowed by some casual devices and even those who know about Vita and own one are interested in cool brands on their devices as was case of CoD: Declassified regardless of their actual quality, and this is extremely important because this crowd don't give a fuck about Sony 1st party games, so if some cool device became at sight the brand is finished as was in case of Sega.

Sales of Playstation well who are those costumers, are they new or only those who bought replacement consoles i don't know but if sales of their 1st party games are some indicator well it's not good for them although last year Playstation brand expanded every single of their 1st party game bombed on the market.

The average gamer isn't computer literate enough for the steam box, and really the idea of upgrading your consoles when you want would confuse the fuck out of some.

Agree and this is exactly the problem, the consoles became venue for illiterate mob to play horrible PC ports.

The more blood and gore the more MATURE and HARDCORE the biggest sales, it's so easy to address them


Proof you know little about the console market. Most of Sony's exclusives appeal to western audiences. Xbox owns the United States, Sony owns Europe and Japan. Japanese people don't buy many western titles, but the sales of Japanese PS3 games that aren't localized, and some that are, take up for the fact that Microsoft's western based exclusives outsells Sony, and even then, it's only in some cases. 

 

The PS Vita is bombing because of price and poor marketing, and yes, some people are seeing handheld gaming is obsolete nowadays. However the  fact that some people never even heard of the PS Vita speaks volumes. The PS4 has way more hype and consumers behind it. 

 

Mob to play horrible PC Ports? You mean, some of the console games that are actually ported from PC to consoles? Most multi-plat games look better on PC's and run at higher FPS depending on your rig. Yes. But do realize. Not everyone is a graphics whore. The only edge PC gamers use is graphics, frames, and lower prices. But console gaming has way more perks, and quite frankly I'm tired of PC gamers always boasting about their rigs. Makes me believe that they don't even have the PC they speak of, fuck I have a decent rig and I never brag about it. 

 

Point is, consoles have more exclusive AAA games, are cheaper, better to play with friends and family and appeals to the masses. PC Gaming doesn't. Get over it. 



fillet said:

I'd have thought it would have been a bette idea just to make fun out of the article then instead of posting it without an opinion added. Anyone can see that the graph is ridiculous.

Nvidia are fools for making it - but only because they must have had a mentally challenged person draw it up. I've heard of making graphs with non-linear axis to misrepresent a product to make it look better, but they've gone the opposite way and made it look worse.

That small gap showing 3x performance should be magnified approximately 300 HUNDRED TIMES if using the scale of the first 1-10 segment.

I'm starting to wonder though if that is actually their graph!!? It has to be one of the stupidest most idiotc retarded graphs ever devised in the history of graphs!

There is no way nVidia can fit this graph in presentation without dynamic scale.

And it was released by nVidia in presentation in GDC two days ago.

There are more pictures...

Moving Games into the Cloud, Technologies and Architectures 5:30 pm - 6:30 pm
Franck Diard, NVIDIA
Brent Oster, Senior Software Engineer, NVIDIA

This session presents the technologies behind NVIDIA GRID™ and the future of game engines running in the cloud. In the first part, we’ll present how you can develop cloud products using the GRID SDK. The audience will learn about the key components of NVIDIA GRID— like optimal capture, efficient compression, fast streaming, and low latency—that make cloud gaming possible. Franck will demonstrate how these components fit together, how to use the GRID APIs, and how to optimize their usage to deliver an ultimate cloud gaming experience. In the second part, Brent will present the future of game engines running in the cloud.

https://developer.nvidia.com/gdc-2013



ethomaz said:

fillet said:

I'd have thought it would have been a bette idea just to make fun out of the article then instead of posting it without an opinion added. Anyone can see that the graph is ridiculous.

Nvidia are fools for making it - but only because they must have had a mentally challenged person draw it up. I've heard of making graphs with non-linear axis to misrepresent a product to make it look better, but they've gone the opposite way and made it look worse.

That small gap showing 3x performance should be magnified approximately 300 HUNDRED TIMES if using the scale of the first 1-10 segment.

I'm starting to wonder though if that is actually their graph!!? It has to be one of the stupidest most idiotc retarded graphs ever devised in the history of graphs!

There is no way nVidia can fit this graph in presentation without dynamic scale.

And it was released by nVidia in presentation in GDC two days ago.

There are more pictures...

Moving Games into the Cloud, Technologies and Architectures 5:30 pm - 6:30 pm
Franck Diard, NVIDIA
Brent Oster, Senior Software Engineer, NVIDIA

This session presents the technologies behind NVIDIA GRID™ and the future of game engines running in the cloud. In the first part, we’ll present how you can develop cloud products using the GRID SDK. The audience will learn about the key components of NVIDIA GRID— like optimal capture, efficient compression, fast streaming, and low latency—that make cloud gaming possible. Franck will demonstrate how these components fit together, how to use the GRID APIs, and how to optimize their usage to deliver an ultimate cloud gaming experience. In the second part, Brent will present the future of game engines running in the cloud.

https://developer.nvidia.com/gdc-2013


"There is no way nVidia can fit this graph in presentation without dynamic scale."

This is true and my whole problem with the graph and your interpretation of it. I realize that you haven't passed an actual opinion on it explicitly but the fact you zoomed in to make light of the small gap between the PS4/TITAN to me is you saying that you think the gap is really small when in fact it is 3x in absolute real figures.

It is a silly graph and to post it in terms of making fun of nvidia on that level is entirely legitmate, whoever drew it up should be fired immediately. But I'm just not sure why you posted it? Because it offers no insight into anything other than just how deceptive those weasil graphs can be.



fillet said:
"There is no way nVidia can fit this graph in presentation without dynamic scale."

This is true and my whole problem with the graph and your interpretation of it. I realize that you haven't passed an actual opinion on it explicitly but the fact you zoomed in to make light of the small gap between the PS4/TITAN to me is you saying that you think the gap is really small when in fact it is 3x in absolute real figures.

It is a silly graph and to post it in terms of making fun of nvidia on that level is entirely legitmate, whoever drew it up should be fired immediately. But I'm just not sure why you posted it? Because it offers no insight into anything other than just how deceptive those weasil graphs can be.

I got the upscalled picture in GAF because the original is hard to understand... in any case I said there are some added jokes in the upscalled picture different from the original (the prices for example).

This is a official nVidia apresentation... so it needs to be posted... deal with it .



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Daisuke72 said:


Proof you know little about the console market. Most of Sony's exclusives appeal to western audiences. Xbox owns the United States, Sony owns Europe and Japan. Japanese people don't buy many western titles, but the sales of Japanese PS3 games that aren't localized, and some that are, take up for the fact that Microsoft's western based exclusives outsells Sony, and even then, it's only in some cases. 

 

The PS Vita is bombing because of price and poor marketing, and yes, some people are seeing handheld gaming is obsolete nowadays. However the  fact that some people never even heard of the PS Vita speaks volumes. The PS4 has way more hype and consumers behind it. 

 

Mob to play horrible PC Ports? You mean, some of the console games that are actually ported from PC to consoles? Most multi-plat games look better on PC's and run at higher FPS depending on your rig. Yes. But do realize. Not everyone is a graphics whore. The only edge PC gamers use is graphics, frames, and lower prices. But console gaming has way more perks, and quite frankly I'm tired of PC gamers always boasting about their rigs. Makes me believe that they don't even have the PC they speak of, fuck I have a decent rig and I never brag about it. 

 

Point is, consoles have more exclusive AAA games, are cheaper, better to play with friends and family and appeals to the masses. PC Gaming doesn't. Get over it. 

Have to say, I get the same feeling.  Usually you see it from gamers who's console of choice is weaker and/or performing badly as a way to downplay the other console's visuals and/or sales performance.  The weaker one is strange, since if they cared so much about the power of the other consoles, why go with a weaker console?  Hell, why go for a console at all?

All I know is that in the end, in terms of real world performance, the PS4 (with GPU customization and code optimization) in a year or so is most likely not going to be that far off from pushing out visuals that the Titan can in a PC.



I really don't see the point in comparing Titan with PS4. And it's more like 2.5x more powerfull and it only has about 50% more memory bandwidth:

GTX Titan: 4.5 Tflops, 288.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, 200W average, 260W peak power consumption.

Ps4 gpu: 1.86 Tflops, 176 GB/s memory bandwidth, ~90W average, ~110W peak power consumption.

More processing power means higher power consumption. The gpu chosen for the PS4 is about the maximum possible when looking at power consumption, especially if you count the fact that it will be a one chip APU design.

And as noted with optimisation the two will be much closer.



I wonder how much more proof people need? PS4 is more powerful. That's that. Accept it. These things can't be changed this late....

Congratz to Nvidia though. They managed to make a $1000 GPU that is 3x more powerful than the the GPU in a $400-$500 CONSOLE.



You have to take everything with a pinch of salt at these shows. Firstly we know the Titan does roughly ~4.5 Teraflops and the PS4 does 2.5 Tflops, so that instantly draws suspicion that Nvidia are full of it. Also nothing on the 720 has been released, and I doubt Nvidia have anything to do with it after their bitchy article about consoles....so I think this is Nvidia trying to steal the thunder from the consoles and back to PCs.



Hmm, So what we are doing here is comparing one of the best single GPU cards that there is, which costs $1000, to the upcoming PS4, which doesn't contain the best AMD GPU counterpart and wont be $1000 (bloody obvious)....?

Sigh....sure lets give the consoles more crap based on whats obvious.



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