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Scisca said:
Mr Khan said:
Player2 said:
Cobretti2 said:
Also their biggest mistake was thinking ports of GREAT 3rd party games would sell the system. Sadly it did not so they kind of been caught in the drought.

Actually their biggest mistake was believing that they could get the same treatment as Microsoft or Sony from third parties.

Even the best of us cling to the myth that third parties are rational, forward-thinking groups sometimes.

Ask anyone who knows anything about business. Investing in Wii U now is not rational. Sad but true. Look at the CoD and ACIII sales, look at ZombiU sales. Doing what Ubi did with Rayman is 100% rational, even if it makes a few Nintendo fans angry. There is no market on Wii U, so why pump money there, when the economy is so bad and so many studios go bust all the time? 3rd parties don't care about Nintendo, Sony or MS and about which one of them is going to win or lose. They care about themselves. It just so happens that right now Nintendo is on the wrong end of the stick. You just got LEGO City. A very good exclusive game. I hope it does well and brings profit, but if it doesn't sell well, what argument would you have to convince a 3rd party dev to invest in the console?

Would you risk your own money in a Wii U game?

At worst, Wii U is going to end up being 25% of the future console gaming market. I'd work to build a base there, even if it's not profitable in the short run, to make sure that i don't have another generation made almost entirely of red ink, like most third parties out there.



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Despite what some of the defenders are saying. What has happened is fundamentally inexcusable. The Wii U didn't just suddenly materialize out of the aether. It was a very long time in coming, and thus Nintendo had ample time to do the things that would make is successful. They chose for the umpteenth time to build hardware that served only their interests at the expense of what third party developers wanted and needed. They failed to make inroads with third parties, and yes especially for Nintendo that includes paying for third party development.

Third party developers aren't being mean to Nintendo. As much as they are afraid to develop games for their consoles. They have been burned so many times, and lost serious money developing games for their platforms. That a cash incentive to do so wouldn't just be a nice thing. It has gotten to the point where it is damn near necessary. Nintendo needed to make those cash offerings to get more games into the development channel.

On their side of development they needed to do two things. Firstly they needed to expand their development base by gasp actually acquiring new studios, and they needed to address deficiencies in their own staff. Yes some old hands that weren't up to snuff needed to get the axe, and new fresh talent needed to be brought in. With the economy the way it has been. It isn't like there isn't a surplus of talent to be had. High Definition development has been going to for seven years now on the console side. Nintendo has had ample time to upgrade their staff. In other words it shouldn't be this hard for them. Show me a company that refuses to reinvest in keeping their workforce skilled, and I will show you a company that can't possibly be competitive.

Further more Nintendo has needed for the longest time to diversify their own development. A one trick pony is destined for the glue factory. If Nintendo seriously wants to be a console brand for everybody it needs to be making games that actually cater to segments of the gaming public. We aren't all the same, and they can't treat us as such. Mario just isn't for everyone. As well as being almost exclusively kiddie in presentation. They needed to stop being a niche developer. Nintendo is probably the last Japanese developer to figure this out.

As for what they can do now. Well they can't do anything about the bad hardware, the wasted time, the poorly trained staff, or get more varied games out of the development pipe in time to do anything. This isn't about making a successful platform at all anymore. This is about salvaging the console before it goes right off the cliff. To do that they are going to have to make some very bold moves. They are way past the point of tweaking.

Firstly they do need to fire the management. What has happened is nothing less then incompetent. It is one thing to try a thing, but something else to try absolutely nothing. Those cash reserves that Nintendo has been sitting on for years are potential that has been wasted. It should have been put to work for the companies benefit. Nintendo isn't a bank. It is a player in a incredibly competitive industry. Reinvestment was called for.

Secondly they need to make some strong strategic acquisitions especially outside of Japan. If they want to be a player in the global marketplace they need to stop acting like home bodies. They need western developers to cater to those markets. They should in fact make it a point to look for studios that have games in the pipe that are due to arrive soon for their rivals. So that they can divert the flow to themselves. More importantly it will fill out their library.

Thirdly they need to up their investment in information architecture. They need more data hubs at the very least. Over night downloads just isn't acceptable. Not in this day and age. They also need to seriously invest in making a top of the line operating system for their platform.

Fourthly they need to aggressively court third party developers. Pay for development, market their goods for them, pay for any exclusivity that they can get. Become a competitor for third party development. They need to make themselves into some kind of attractive alternative. They wont get everything given how their console has sold, but they will find partners who will make a go of developing for under exploited territory. There are developers who would gladly develop exclusive games for the platform if the risks were dramatically reduced.

Yes there is a switch Nintendo can flip, but it is a big switch, and it will probably cost them a few billion to flip, but it isn't like doing so would go unnoticed by developers or consumers. If Nintendo went out tomorrow, and gobbled up five development studios, announced half a dozen third party exclusives they paid out of their pocket to get, announced the termination of the top staff that the market didn't have confidence in, and started hiring new staff like mad. I can tell you the doom and gloom would fucking evaporate.



Mr Khan said:

The only thing that's concerning is the absolute silence surrounding Pikmin 3, which was, at one point, supposed to land next month.


I'm actually beginning to wonder if Pikmin 3 has been shelved for the time being to shift development towards Mario Kart U/Super Mario U.  If Nintendo are indeed struggling with HD development and they want to get those titles out by the end of the year.

Just a thought.  Doubt it'll be true, but you never know.



Mr Khan said:
Scisca said:
Mr Khan said:
Player2 said:
Cobretti2 said:
Also their biggest mistake was thinking ports of GREAT 3rd party games would sell the system. Sadly it did not so they kind of been caught in the drought.

Actually their biggest mistake was believing that they could get the same treatment as Microsoft or Sony from third parties.

Even the best of us cling to the myth that third parties are rational, forward-thinking groups sometimes.

Ask anyone who knows anything about business. Investing in Wii U now is not rational. Sad but true. Look at the CoD and ACIII sales, look at ZombiU sales. Doing what Ubi did with Rayman is 100% rational, even if it makes a few Nintendo fans angry. There is no market on Wii U, so why pump money there, when the economy is so bad and so many studios go bust all the time? 3rd parties don't care about Nintendo, Sony or MS and about which one of them is going to win or lose. They care about themselves. It just so happens that right now Nintendo is on the wrong end of the stick. You just got LEGO City. A very good exclusive game. I hope it does well and brings profit, but if it doesn't sell well, what argument would you have to convince a 3rd party dev to invest in the console?

Would you risk your own money in a Wii U game?

At worst, Wii U is going to end up being 25% of the future console gaming market. I'd work to build a base there, even if it's not profitable in the short run, to make sure that i don't have another generation made almost entirely of red ink, like most third parties out there.

That is far from certain, depending on many factors and variables, they could easily become a lot smaller than that (my assumptions are based on the 8th generation of home consoles moving around 150-180 million units lifetime). At this point, I'd go so far as to say that 25% is possibly the best case scenario for the Wii U, based on what I've been saying about base appeal of the machine itself.



mii-gamer said:
To assume nintendo is doing nothing is stupid. Yes, Nintendo made the same mistake again with the Wii U Launch. But games don't magically sprout overnight, Nintendo made a critical error with hd development just like so many developers last gen (or current gen). Even though im kinda pissed off, about the drought, at least the games have come this month. This article wasn't needed.



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My only hope is Nintendo waiting for the end of the Fiscal Year and from april onwards releasing more software.

Pokemon NFC eShop, Wii Fit U, TW101, Pikmin 3 and Game and Wario needs to be released before E3. New Super Luigi DLC and Wii Party U seems like their summer lineup while Wind Waker for fall.



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think-man said:
Im beginning to think Nintendo's first partys are struggling with HD development.

Like most japanese developers this gen.   Why is hard for them to develop games in HD, I dunno.



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Nintendo's big mistake was releasing the console 1 yr too early. They could have followed their same strategy, only with a much better optimized OS, more power, and games. Yeah the Wii was dead, but Nintendo should have just rode the 3DS until holiday '13.

But this is no gamecube situation, that was coming off not just a dethroning but thorough ass beating by PS1, and its rep at that time was low. Nintendo has a much better brand today, and will turn it around among its hardcore, families, and even casual fanbase once they promote it heavily. Its a great console once you play it, I have no doubt about it having a successful run (50 mil).



Dodece said:

Third party developers aren't being mean to Nintendo. As much as they are afraid to develop games for their consoles. They have been burned so many times, and lost serious money developing games for their platforms. That a cash incentive to do so wouldn't just be a nice thing. It has gotten to the point where it is damn near necessary. Nintendo needed to make those cash offerings to get more games into the development channel.

When? Who?  I think you're making this up.