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I think the worst thing for Wii U is that Nintendo seems to be uncapable of making HD games. They still can't finish that Pikmin 3... This is just humiliating, I wonder how long it will take Nintendo to make those 3D Mario, MK and Zelda games. It may take a really long while... It looks like they wasted all this time after they decided to dump the Wii and didn't prepare themselves for the work ahead. Now they find themselves years behind the competition.

The second thing that stinks about the Wii U is that in many aspects it's inferior to PS360. I'm not talking about the graphics this time, but the UI. The fact that there is no unified trophy/achievement system, games are tied to a console and not your account. I mean, wtf? Is that really this hard, that Nintendo couldn't implement it in 2012/2013? Just ridiculous.

All this makes me think that Wii U won't get enough great games to compete with the launch of PS4/X720 and will lose to them both. 40-45 mil is the most it can sell this gen. The improvement over the GCN is due to the success of the Wii.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

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DieAppleDie said:
mushroomboy5 said:
Mensrea said:
It's negative, but I think the negativity is justified a bit. The longest drought in console history, right at the beginning of it's lifespan. That in itself is pretty bad, but the fact that the Wii got little to no support it's last few years, coupled with this, spawns a negative mentality. I'm angry about it myself.

longest drought in console history? are you sure about that?



I think the N64 launch was way more catastrophic, it launched with THREE games..........and still sold 30m+ consoles and a SHITLOAD of software, if i recall SMario 64 was the best selling game of that generation.... this negativity towards Nintendo has to stop, its just embarrasing...

First of all, yes it is the longest drought, unless you count downloadable games.

 

And secondly, Mario 64 is 20 times better than any Wii U game on the market today. It was the first 3D plat, it was revolutionary. There is nothing like it on the WIi U. That comparison is flawed.




Scisca said:
I think the worst thing for Wii U is that Nintendo seems to be uncapable of making HD games. They still can't finish that Pikmin 3... This is just humiliating, I wonder how long it will take Nintendo to make those 3D Mario, MK and Zelda games. It may take a really long while... It looks like they wasted all this time after they decided to dump the Wii and didn't prepare themselves for the work ahead. Now they find themselves years behind the competition.

The second thing that stinks about the Wii U is that in many aspects it's inferior to PS360. I'm not talking about the graphics this time, but the UI. The fact that there is no unified trophy/achievement system, games are tied to a console and not your account. I mean, wtf? Is that really this hard, that Nintendo couldn't implement it in 2012/2013? Just ridiculous.

All this makes me think that Wii U won't get enough great games to compete with the launch of PS4/X720 and will lose to them both. 40-45 mil is the most it can sell this gen. The improvement over the GCN is due to the success of the Wii.

We're equating Nintendo's saying nothing is coming with Nintendo actually having nothing coming, again.



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__XBrawlX__ said:
SonOfLiberty said:
One quick thing: mainline Pokemon games Don't release on consoles, so Pokemon won't help. But Yeah I get what you're saying, many of their heavy hitters haven't released,most notably SSBU


Yeah you have a point about Pokemon, but that new WiiU pokemon game with the interactive figurines could be huge depending on how the game shapes up, especially with the younger crowd.

The skylanders rip-off? Yeah it could probably rack up some good sales.



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Mensrea said:
DieAppleDie said:
mushroomboy5 said:
Mensrea said:
It's negative, but I think the negativity is justified a bit. The longest drought in console history, right at the beginning of it's lifespan. That in itself is pretty bad, but the fact that the Wii got little to no support it's last few years, coupled with this, spawns a negative mentality. I'm angry about it myself.

longest drought in console history? are you sure about that?



I think the N64 launch was way more catastrophic, it launched with THREE games..........and still sold 30m+ consoles and a SHITLOAD of software, if i recall SMario 64 was the best selling game of that generation.... this negativity towards Nintendo has to stop, its just embarrasing...

First of all, yes it is the longest drought, unless you count downloadable games.

 

And secondly, Mario 64 is 20 times better than any Wii U game on the market today. It was the first 3D plat, it was revolutionary. There is nothing like it on the WIi U. That comparison is flawed.



N64 launch was VERY catastrophic too, still, they managed to sell 33m. WiiU will easily sell more than that, i mean EASILY.



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People love to hate on Nintendo. This comes from the influence of analysts overflowing into the internet. They see a company they cant predict and that doesnt do what they want them to do. So, instead of writing them off as unpredictable, they say they are doomed, so they dont surprise anyone with their good results like it happened with the Wii.
Its safer for these people to do what they can to eliminate nintendo from the board. The internet is for hating, so once you get someone on the train theres no stopping it.

Obviously, it is way too early to write off Nintendo. Actually Nintendo has a very powerful position in Japan. Its the west that seems to be hating on them because they focus on the japanese needs instead of the western ones. Is it good marketing? Not for the west market. But the fact is Nintendo games are powerful and universally appealing. They dont need to focus on the west specific needs to achieve sucess, and analysts hate them for that. They cant be controlled.

 

Fact here is: With the proper software out, a price cut and an advertisement campaign this christmas and things will flip. Actually im more worried about the new consoles (PS4 and X720) than the Wii U. The Wii U is the HD evolution of Nintendo gaming, but the new consoles will have a hard time convincing consumers to upgrade. Theres really little reason to do so.



First it was people are being too negative about Microsoft. Now, people are too disappointed in the Wii U's current state. It's understandable that people lose faith in their favorite console when times are grim and let me tell ya, the Wii U is going through some tough times.

My thing is; The Wii U does not feel like a next gen console. It really, really does not. What kind of next gen consoles gets a bunch of enhanced ports from established franchise? Obviously, there were exceptions like ZombiU. They should have held off until they had mario galaxy 3 or the next big zelda game.



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Mazty said:
curl-6 said:
Mazty said:

My point was that it was offering the same multiplatform games rather than any that have noticable improvements e.g. NFS:MW on the PS2 compared to 360. 

Also it's lacking exclusives. As Mario Karts isn't a core game, same can be said with Zelda, it means that a lot is riding on Smash Bro's which has never been a massively popular genre. 

Zelda not a core game? Why, cos it's not spraying blood everywhere and showing Zelda's breasts?

And Smash Bros Brawl sold over 10 million, if that's "not massively popular" then pretty much nothing outside of Maro, COD, Pokemon and Wii Sports is.

Nope - because it's really, really easy. 
10 million units on a console that has sold 99 million +. Proportionally, that's not very good when we consider the amount of units sold on the other consoles which have almost 30 millions less sales than the wii. 



Lol this post is full of flaws.

I also think its too early to write the wii u off, but I can see where all the negativity is coming from though. I used to love Nintendo, owned every system from n64-wii and some handhelds, but the wii is probably the system I regret buying the most. It has been gathering dust for years now and probably won't be buying the wii u.



Seriously, I'm the only one who think this, when reading the thread title?:




Let's see...I think the majority of people think that Nintendo is done for given the circumstances that they've been going through lately. They haven't built hype for the WiiU, they're lacking games overall (and Ubisoft keep screwing 'em), and Sony has stolen the thunder right now. Now people's waiting for Microsoft to move, and no one is listening to Nintendo right now.

Nintendo is not down, and not out right now. But they need solutions. I don't think Nintendo as a company is in peril, because 3DS has been profitable and it will keep sellin'. But the WiiU lacks support, and we're seeing a "Gamecube situation" all over againg. They can turn the tables, but they need to work this up. I don't see Nintendo doing this exactly. I remember reading somewhere that Miyamoto was planning to create a new Mario brother in order to gain audience, but that's not exactly what the WiiU need. WiiU needs creativity, needs games. And I don't know if a price-cut would help (It wouldn't be healthy for Nintendo though). They need to pull a Playstation 3 here; that's it, they started this new gen wrong, but they can still save the day. WiiU needs advertising too (Not that horrible marketing, for Christ's sake!), and well, I'm no expert in these matters, but everything I've said here is what I firmly believe.

The main problem, as some user stated previously, is that WiiU lacks that "next-gen feel". It lacks any revolutionary idea that could captivate gamers. Think back at the beginning of this gen. Microsoft managed to make a name because the 360 had that next-gen feel. Wii made its name thanks to the revolutionary appeal it created. WiiU lacks these two things.