DOATS1 said: Borkachev said: well we have to be frank, what Sony is doing this gen is simple consumer shafting. They created a situation, where some part of the PS3 community is better than than the rest due to better HW. And i'm not exagerrating. Full BC and a lot of other extras for some and the rest can go bark up a tree. One of the stupidest business models yet if you ask me. This IS going to put off a lot of people in the long run. Changing hardware over time (and in the process shafting some people, in a sense) is nothing new for the electronics industry. What's so irritating about the current situation with Sony is that they're doing it backwards: they're dropping functionality as they go along instead of adding it. In the past, we've been able to count on hardware being a little buggy, poorly featured, and overpriced at the start compared to later revisions, but as an early adopter you accepted that as the cost of getting it first. Now, if you want a particular feature you're expected to rush out and get it today, because it could be gone tomorrow. I don't think this strategy is doing anyone any favors. how did you come to that conclusion? since the release of ps3, the features they have added to the ps3 have totally outstripped the features removed.

 Untrue, except for Hard drive size, which was surpassed by the 80 GB, the 60 GB NTSC version of the PS3 was the one with the most features, since then the others have been stripped of various thngs

Avinash_Tyagi said: Untrue, except for Hard drive size, which was surpassed by the 80 GB, the 60 GB NTSC version of the PS3 was the one with the most features, since then the others have been stripped of various thngs

*sigh*

 he said they are dropping functionality, not just hardware.

since launch they have removed:

ps2 bc

2 usb ports

memory card reader.

 

now, they have added since then:

blu-ray 1.1, divx functionality, ds3 support, dvd/ps1 and ps2 upscaling, remote play functionality, improved image quality (rgb full, super white hdmi), media sharing/streaming, this could go on, but the rest i feel are minor.

i dont know about you but to me it seems they have made the ps3 ALOT more functional than not. 

 

Sony has decided to make as much sense as Wal Mart.

DOATS1 said: Avinash_Tyagi said: Untrue, except for Hard drive size, which was surpassed by the 80 GB, the 60 GB NTSC version of the PS3 was the one with the most features, since then the others have been stripped of various thngs *sigh* he said they are dropping functionality, not just hardware. since launch they have removed: ps2 bc 2 usb ports memory card reader.   now, they have added since then: blu-ray 1.1, divx functionality, ds3 support, dvd/ps1 and ps2 upscaling, remote play functionality, improved image quality (rgb full, super white hdmi), media sharing/streaming, this could go on, but the rest i feel are minor. i dont know about you but to me it seems they have made the ps3 ALOT more functional than not.

Only add that if they drop the 80 GB sku ps2 upscaling will become a rather funny functionality to have, as you won't be able to play ps2 games. And this brings me back to my better/worse customer arguement.

Not to mention as well that when we talk about the ps3's functionality I am talking only about the gaming aspects since, according to me at least, the ps3 is a gaming console, not an overhauled hd player. As such i would think that removing BC for over 1000 games pretty much nullifies any added functions as such. To each his own i guess.

 

They could just be making another 80 gig sku with the dual shock controller and a diff game for all we know.

Wojtas said: DOATS1 said: Avinash_Tyagi said: Untrue, except for Hard drive size, which was surpassed by the 80 GB, the 60 GB NTSC version of the PS3 was the one with the most features, since then the others have been stripped of various thngs *sigh* he said they are dropping functionality, not just hardware. since launch they have removed: ps2 bc 2 usb ports memory card reader.   now, they have added since then: blu-ray 1.1, divx functionality, ds3 support, dvd/ps1 and ps2 upscaling, remote play functionality, improved image quality (rgb full, super white hdmi), media sharing/streaming, this could go on, but the rest i feel are minor. i dont know about you but to me it seems they have made the ps3 ALOT more functional than not.   Only add that if they drop the 80 GB sku ps2 upscaling will become a rather funny functionality to have, as you won't be able to play ps2 games. And this brings me back to my better/worse customer arguement. Not to mention as well that when we talk about the ps3's functionality I am talking only about the gaming aspects since, according to me at least, the ps3 is a gaming console, not an overhauled hd player. As such i would think that removing BC for over 1000 games pretty much nullifies any added functions as such. To each his own i guess.

the ps3 is a gaming console 100% though. it serves its primary purpose and its sole functionality, which is play ps3 games, hence the name of the console. the person i was rebutting seemed to have the idea that sony have removed more features than adding, he was clearly wrong. no matter how big bc is.

goldenpp72 said: They could just be making another 80 gig sku with the dual shock controller and a diff game for all we know.

This makes the most sense out of this whole thread, since we know they have the white PS3 coming to NA, along with the new controller in march or something.  There were also rumours of a 120gb or 160gb white PS3 in NA, bundle this with the new controller for late march or early april with a Price cut and Sony looks really good.

I just explained why those aren't relevant. I'm talking about functionality that early adopters had available to them that later adopters do not. Software features are available to everyone. It's a whole other issue.

In order for them to drop functionality in the sense you're talking about, they would have to do something like have DIVX support available at launch and then disable it in a later firmware update. Then a feature that was available to everyone would become available to no one. That's not the issue in question here. I'm talking strictly about differences between early adopters and later adopters.

If I was going to get a PS3 the 80gb is the one I'd buy, especially when it's only $500/£250, that's not expensive, the Wii is £180 in the UK!

How desperate do Sony have to look and how cheap do they have to make the PS3 before they actually get a version people want?

Obviously the 40GB model is simply cheaper to produce. They have said that a 1 SKU solution is best. They are just trying to move as quickly as possible to a mass market priced console that they lose as little money as possible on.

If this mean no BC fine, but I am going to have a good hard laugh when they introduce full software BC support for the 40GB. Then everyone will be praising them.

I think that they will beat the 360 to $199. ( I do not count the arcade because that is a truely gimped sku).