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Mr Khan said:
ishiki said:

This is kind of statement is silly. And threatening coming from a mod.

PC doesn't get Madden at all. likely because there's just not a great market for it from data they gathered. That doesn't mean EA hates PC, they've put the best versions of Battlefield, Mirrors Edge, and Mass Effect by far.

There's lots of reasons for the subpar ports. It's not exactly easy to port because the power balance of the Wii-u is heavy on the GPU instead of CPU which is weaker. Meaning you have to take a different perspective when optimizing for the wii-u. Early PS3 ports from X360 were godaweful too.

He's implying that we're lucky to get gimped late ports at all, as if that's all we deserve. It's not hard to read between the lines of the argument.

Quick question to you.

Would you rather have bought a slightly gimped version of Ninja Gaiden 2 that is still quite a bit better than Razor's Edge or an upgraded port based on a bad Ninja Gaiden 3 (aka Razor's Edge) ?



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Wouldn't sell god, so I doubt it.



Barozi said:
As I've always said, I don't think any fanbase "deserves" to get games.

Whether or not the games are late ports and slightly gimped, the support was there and already better than on the Wii. (at least more diverse since the top Wii EA games are all Rock Band related).

So yeah instead of being pissed and demand more just play the games first and be happy about them. It was risky for EA to support the WiiU with the launch games and so far it didn't pay off.
Just because a game is "old" doesn't mean that there is no demand for it. 2.7m people bought the PS360 version of FIFA 13 since WiiU launch, Madden NFL 13 did 1.6m and even the old Mass Effect 3 sold 260k.

Mass Effect sales on WiiU are understandable but FIFA and Madden sales aren't really. The early 360 sports games were far more gimped and they sold well and the successors did fantastic. EA doesn't specifically hate Nintendo.
FIFA 06 Road to FIFA World Cup for Xbox 360 is one of the biggest ripoffs in EA history. FIFA 13 on WiiU is far far closer to the real deal and yet it's so far behind in sales.
Anyway no third party game except maybe ZombiU and Scribblenauts did well at launch and that's saying a lot on a 2.5m userbase.

To some degree there's credence to the fact that the PS/X userbases will buy more of certain games, and no-one's especially denying that, which'll mean that comparatively bad games might do better (like your FIFA 06 example) in certain places, while comparatively good ones less so elsewhere, but i would say that the Madden sales are also understandably poor, since you're looking at a huge disadvantage in the Wii U version vs other versions.

I do think EA specifically hates Nintendo, though. They were much more open about it in the NES era, and proved petty enough to try to destroy the Dreamcast when Sega wouldn't give in to their ridiculous demands. EA's a pretty sleazy company, and i don't think anyone would say otherwise. The only thing in debate is if they are indeed being unfair towards Nintendo or not, and I would say the evidence stacks in my favor, mostly given the very public evidence from E3 2011-E3 2012



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Barozi said:
Mr Khan said:
ishiki said:

This is kind of statement is silly. And threatening coming from a mod.

PC doesn't get Madden at all. likely because there's just not a great market for it from data they gathered. That doesn't mean EA hates PC, they've put the best versions of Battlefield, Mirrors Edge, and Mass Effect by far.

There's lots of reasons for the subpar ports. It's not exactly easy to port because the power balance of the Wii-u is heavy on the GPU instead of CPU which is weaker. Meaning you have to take a different perspective when optimizing for the wii-u. Early PS3 ports from X360 were godaweful too.

He's implying that we're lucky to get gimped late ports at all, as if that's all we deserve. It's not hard to read between the lines of the argument.

Quick question to you.

Would you rather have bought a slightly gimped version of Ninja Gaiden 2 that is still quite a bit better than Razor's Edge or an upgraded port based on a bad Ninja Gaiden 3 (aka Razor's Edge) ?

I would have, but i'm a Nintendo-only gamer. I buy what i like, and while i might gripe about what was done to certain games (like the favoritism shown towards the PS360 version of Sonic Unleashed), if the end product is still good enough to buy on its own, i will.

It's more about people who have options. Anyone who has a capable PC, PS3, or 360 would have ZERO reason to buy Mass Effect 3 on Wii U, and due to increasing rates of multiplatform ownership, that means that the third parties get bitten when they try to shortchange one platform (whether deliberately, as in EA's case, or not)

I, meanwhile, overlook Mass Effect 3 because i have doubts about BioWare's ability to design gameplay after Sonic Chronicles and KOTOR. Story and mythos wise, KOTOR was great, but that gameplay...



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Mr Khan said:

I, meanwhile, overlook Mass Effect 3 because i have doubts about BioWare's ability to design gameplay after Sonic Chronicles and KOTOR. Story and mythos wise, KOTOR was great, but that gameplay...

What...? Mass Effect series has won multiple awards. It is critically and commercially aclaimed franchise. So raising such point questioning its gameplay in general doesn't make much sense. You could say that you are not into shooters or third person cover based shooters with rpg elements in this case but outright questioning the gameplay of a game soley based on previous game the company made with different gameplay just doesn't fit well. 

I just wanted to point that out. You could say that it is third in the series and the fanbase hasn't experienced the storyline and universe prior to this. Thus, they are skeptical about investing their time and money into the game as they might not get the full story experience. 



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green_sky said:
Mr Khan said:

I, meanwhile, overlook Mass Effect 3 because i have doubts about BioWare's ability to design gameplay after Sonic Chronicles and KOTOR. Story and mythos wise, KOTOR was great, but that gameplay...

What...? Mass Effect series has won multiple awards. It is critically and commercially aclaimed franchise. So raising such point questioning its gameplay in general doesn't make much sense. You could say that you are not into shooters or third person cover based shooters with rpg elements in this case but outright questioning the gameplay of a game soley based on previous game the company made with different gameplay just doesn't fit well. 

I just wanted to point that out. You could say that it is third in the series and the fanbase hasn't experienced the storyline and universe prior to this. Thus, they are skeptical about investing their time and money into the game as they might not get the full story experience. 

I was speaking subjectively. WRPGs don't do much to interest me, no, but BioWare's style of D&D-esque gameplay really felt like pulling teeth sometimes, personally.

Although you are correct that I could be being unfair. BioWare's matured as a company since KOTOR, so perhaps ME is better polished in gameplay than what i experienced with their earlier works (Sonic Chronicles was actually okay).

It's not even an issue about getting the full story experience, it's about the fact that nobody who owned anything capable of playing the Trilogy edition would have wasted their time buying ME3 for Wii U, because it just makes no sense.



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VGKing said:
SaviorX said:
VGKing said:
Mr Khan said:
VGKing said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Ahh, but who is to blame for their being flops, hmm? Surely not the brilliant, hardworking men and women who decided that Madden NFL 13 and FIFA 13 for Wii U would only get 6 months of development time a piece, or that Mass Effect 3 should be priced for $60 dollars, with no DLC, and release *after* the trilogy version on other platforms which were $60 for 3 games with all DLC.

Surely the people who made those decisions are perfectly rational business geniuses who gave 110%, only to be defeated by the wretched, ungrateful Nintendo fans who took these labors of love and spat on them.

 

Wii U owners are lucky they got the games at all. Any further delays and the games would have sold much worse and would have been even more unprofitable for EA.

So we're second class citizens. Gotcha.

You'd best stop posting now.

Is that a threat? There's nothing wrong with my post.

Madden NFL 13, Mass Effect 3 and FIFA 13, these are all games that came out MONTHS before on the other consoles. The fact that EA even decided to port them over should make everyone greatful. The fact is these games didn't sell well. Late port or not, those poor sales are no excuse. Mass Effect 2 on PS3 is a perfect example of a late port with great sales. So don't go complaining if Battlefield 4 doesn't make it to Wii U. There are obvious reasons for it.

The fact that they came out months later is the reason they sold so poorly.

When will they finally release a game on  a Nintendo with all the features found in the other games AT THE SAME TIME OF RELEASE?

There is always a 'but' factor with these games they call 'support. It is mass effect, but no dlc, a year later, and you can get 3 mass effect games for the same price.

It is madden 13, BUT, the engine is the same as the PS2 as opposed to the one we just made that changes the entire game, and there are fewer features, while releasing 3 months after all the other versions.

EA obviously has an axe to grind these days, Nintendo is nto infallible, but this shit is just ridiculous.

Look at Mass Effect 2 on PS3 http://www.vgchartz.com/game/46825/mass-effect-2/Global/

Came out a year later than the 360 version yet it still sold well. There is an audience for it. It's smaller than on 360, but its there and its profitable.

Now lets look at Mass Effect 3 sales

1 Mass Effect 3 X360 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 1.71 0.67 0.03 0.25 2.65
2 Mass Effect 3 PS3 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.48 0.36 0.03 0.16 1.03
3 Mass Effect 3 PC 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.31 0.30 0.00 0.10 0.71
4 Mass Effect 3 WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.04

Mass Effect 3 sales on Wiii U are abysmal. There doesn't seem to be an audience for this game on Wii U. The question is if EA is willing to spend the time and money to try and create one. Will the next Mass Effect release on Wii U? Would a simultaneous release even make much of a difference?

Another example is Black Ops 2. It only came out 1-2 weeks after the PS3/360 versions yet it still sits at a measly 150k sales. This is an absolute flop considering the PS3 and 360 versions are over 10million. But still, there still seems to be an audience for the game on Wii U. This ones does seem to have potential for future growth simply because the Call of Duty brand is so massive.


Mass Effect 3 sales on Wii U should be abysmal. Not only did it launch after the Mass Effect Trilogy. It's being sold at the same price as the entire trilogy with no DLC support. They shoudn't have released the game on WiiU at all if they were going to release it in such a gimped state.



EA want's to sabotage Nintendo, so despite hyping BF at E3 2years ago, EA won't deliver as usual.



 

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Metrium said:
EA want's to sabotage Nintendo, so despite hyping BF at E3 2years ago, EA won't deliver as usual.

I can't take things like this seriously. It seriously implies that somewhere in EA headquarters that there is board where they outline their strategy. On that board they say let's make make Playstation and Xbox success but try our best to sabotage Nintendo. *Than everyone in board room cheers, howls and dances to this beautiful idea*

For those complaing about the price. Wait for the price drop. I love the Mass Effect franchise and i only recently bought ME3 last night for $20. These are third party games. They drop in price over time unlike Nintendo games. 



Mr Khan said:
Barozi said:

Quick question to you.

Would you rather have bought a slightly gimped version of Ninja Gaiden 2 that is still quite a bit better than Razor's Edge or an upgraded port based on a bad Ninja Gaiden 3 (aka Razor's Edge) ?

I would have, but i'm a Nintendo-only gamer. I buy what i like, and while i might gripe about what was done to certain games (like the favoritism shown towards the PS360 version of Sonic Unleashed), if the end product is still good enough to buy on its own, i will.

It's more about people who have options. Anyone who has a capable PC, PS3, or 360 would have ZERO reason to buy Mass Effect 3 on Wii U, and due to increasing rates of multiplatform ownership, that means that the third parties get bitten when they try to shortchange one platform (whether deliberately, as in EA's case, or not)

I, meanwhile, overlook Mass Effect 3 because i have doubts about BioWare's ability to design gameplay after Sonic Chronicles and KOTOR. Story and mythos wise, KOTOR was great, but that gameplay...

But at the same time what reason had PS3 owners to buy Mass Effect 2 when it launched a whole year later on their platform ?
Obviously they didn't care enough to buy a 360 for it or a decent PC, had no clue about the story of the first game and yet they still bought it at full price and it sold 41% of the 360 edition.

Well to summarize the launch. Third parties and Nintendo did a lot of mistakes. The interest was there but Nintendo failed to recreate a Wii Sports that drove the (casual) masses to the consoles, while third parties chose to go the cheap way and port their classics and hoped for people to buy their products as 2nd or 3rd games. But can you nowadays expect third parties to make quality exclusive games for your new platform without any kind of guarantee that it does well ?