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BasilZero said:

Its too early to say about the Wii-U's fate, we gotta wait for its first christmas....oh wait l0l.

But seriously, its too early to say if its failed or not. Give it about 4-5 years or whenever Wii-X (or whatever letter) is announced (same with the Vita).

im not saying its "failing" im just trying to exaplin and discuss its sales. and i think nintendo's discsions to have 2D mario on the WiiU  as its main system seller to nintendo hardcore fans is just a bad idea considering 3DS got a 2D mario months ago and the 3DS has and is getting more games that nintendo fans love and prefer. add to that that the 3DS costs half the price



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BasilZero said:


So you are saying Sony has halted all production of the Vita and we wont ever see any more units in the store?

And who is "We" do you speak of? The only people who waited are people who wanted the system, dont act like you cared about the system or its future - You werent gonna get the system even if it did well ;p. <- Nicest way I can think of to say it.

Edit: It really doesnt matter how bad it is doing now, you cant consider a system a "Failure" or "Dead" unless the hardware developer confirms all production of the unit pre-maturely. Regardless of whether its the Wii-U or the Vita.

What does it matter if I was going to get the Vita or not? It doesn't.

And what's with you thinking that's what I meant? Many people on this site say that we can only start predicting after the first Christmas. Well, it's had it's first Christmas in NA/Europe, and two Christmas' in Japan. I think that is enough time to have a pretty good prediction on how it's going to do.



The Wii U is far to expensive for what it offers right now, and it doesn't have any software that pushes the console to core gamers.

Wii was 250, TP launched with it and created a huge buzz.

Gamecube was 200, launched with Melee which created buzz.

Wii U launched at 300 (Really 350) launched with another f**king 2D Mario game.

Easy to see why it's selling poorly.




BasilZero said:

A lot of people predicted that the PS3 would fail and not even get where it is now because of the early mistakes that Sony did but guess what - it got out of it.

So no , there's no way to actually predict when a system is gonna fail nor is there any way to tell when a system is gonna get cancelled out until the developer/producer announces it, any prediction now is just too pre-mature. Maybe in its 3rd or 4th year at the earliest if its still in production but not in its first or second year. It is also the reason why I never buy game systems in its first two years.

Also you dont get brownie points when riding a bandwagon, just saying.

I truly could care less about brownie points. Besides, I wasn't riding the bandwagon, because I agree with the people who say that. After 2 years of a system being on the market we should be able to (somewhat) predict it's outcome. It's not like we all have crystal balls, but we can still make a pretty good prediction. (And some people can even do it in the first year of a systems lifetime.)

After 4 years of a system being on the market it would barely be a prediction anymore.



bananaking21 said:

now before everybody goes and says im crazy just listen to what i got to say first, WiiU sales started out great but after a while they fell pretty quickly, even now its starting to get close to vita numbers (ouch) and one of the main reasons for that is the 3DS! yes the 3DS!

a video game console whether handheld or home console is bought for one main reason, the experience. and what created that is experience? the games!! now when we are just at the launch of the WiiU nintendo fans are the ones who are expected to be the early adaptors, but ask yourself, why buy a WiiU when you can buy a 3DS? lets look at the games, the main selling point of the WiiU is SMBU, but the 3DS just got a 2D mario months ago! the second biggest game the WiiU has? nintendoland, which is a good game but i think nintendo fans prefer super mario land and mario kart over it any day. what else does the WiiU have? ZombieU, from what i heard a good game but it isnt the kind of games nintendo fans usually like a buy, so why would they buy a console for it?

 

now lets look at the upcoming releases, WiiU has pikmin and bayonetta 2. while 3DS has luigi's mansion, pokemon and monster hunter. the 3DS is just a more attractive purchase when it comes to future releases as well. the first bayonetta game wasnt even released on the wii, why would nintendo fans care for it really?

 

now the question is, why buy a WiiU when you can buy the 3DS, have the same experiences and a lot more games for about half the price?

btw im not here to discuss the sales of the WiiU or attack it. im here because i really think that the 3DS is taking away sales from the WiiU and i think the same problem is happening with the vita but backwords, why buy a vita when you can buy a ps3? but thats another topic

i think sales would pick up mid of this year... even if nexbox or ps4 would come out later this year i think wii u would catch up with a good software support...

and there is always japan... pikmin would be a good support.

but the problem is the europe market... they should release more game that appeal to europe market



 

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BasilZero said:

@Bolded/Underlined/Italic - But that is the thing, it hasnt been two years.

Japan - December 2011 = 1 Year and 1 month
NA/EU - February 2012 = 11 months (will be 1 year next month)

*2 Christmas'. (Was it two? Or did it release after Christmas?)

My arguement still stands. By next year we should be able to see a slight trend, unless Sony performs a miracle. (AKA, a pricecut.)



The Vita is in more of a precarious position than some people realize though, Sony is being crushed by Samsung on the TV front, they lost millions in the gaming department this past gen, and now their handheld is selling quite poorly.

These times are when both the advantages and the disadvantages of having multiple incomes start to show. Unlike Ninty, Sony and MS can make up for losses in the game department through other sources, however on the other hand, Sony has to allocate resources into other "failing?" departments and quite frankly just don't have the resources to support their gaming division as well anymore.

Combined with diminished brand power over the past gen, and the fact that the PS4 is releasing soon and the 3DS's dominance in JP, I don't blame people for saying stuff like "Vita is doomed!" "Dreamcasted!" because if you look at it from a financial perspective, there is almost no profit to be gained from supporting a weak platform when the market as a whole is shrinking and your direct competitor is sweeping the floor with you.

If I were Sony, truthfully, I would try to get all the Vitas off store shelves fast and then decrease support for it, they're not gonna go anywhere with the impending 3DS monsterkillstreakbatman sales coming on in 2013.

As for me as a consumer, I don't really want that to happen because a Nintendo monopoly has proven to be bad, and would decrease the amount of effort Ninty would place in their games. (Competition!)

What was so odd about the Ps3's position was that there was a lot of demand for the console riding off the back of the PS2, just that the price was wayyy too high. With the price drop and the new slim model, that changed. But what about the Vita? The demand just isn't that strong. It isn't just about the pricing, as is proven by how terrible sales were even as they matched the launch price of the 3DS. It isn't strictly because of the games either, because from what I've heard, there are some fantastic games out and upcoming.

It's how they decided to completely screw over the consumer from day1. Even the "gamers" think that the mem cards pricing is too high, the 3G is useless....so then what about the average consumer? They're not that stupid, it's the same reason why the basic WiiU is selling so terribly. Sony marketed "Console quality OTG" without console quality games and console quality value. This isn't about marketing anymore, this thing needs a miracle. It has earned the distrust of many gamers and other consumers alike. 

It's still too early to judge. Still far far far to early to judge how well it will do lifetime. But as time starts to pass and I see less and less sales figures, more promotion of mediocre games and Sony's financial struggle in other businesses, I wonder if we may ever see another handheld from them again.

 

Edit: I just had another scary thought. Like how the 3DS might be eating up some of the WiiU sales, what if....the release of the PS4 (Which I don't see selling worse than Vita my god) effectively kills off interest and sales in the Vita? Oh wow both Ninty and Sony need to come up with killer app cross-funtionality like realll soon, if this "eating into" thing is true.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

BasilZero said:


Your argument doesnt stand at all from what you said. You said two years, if you had said two Holiday seasons (which I wouldnt since it'll be stupid to not include all other months/seasons) then I would agree which you didnt so I dont agree with you at all. I even provided you the dates and the amount of time that has passed since their release neither which is close to the two year mark.

Here, I'll summarize it for you:

1. We (In my opinion, and others) should be able to accurately predict sales for the Vita after 2 years.

2. After 2 Holiday Seasons (which was my original arguement) I also think it should be OK to predict around that time, you just won't be as accurate as with 2 full years. (Like you said.)

3. I did mix things up in my arguement. I was originally talking about Christmas and then switched to 2 years.



BasilZero said:


1) It hasnt been two years

Everything else you mentioned is fine.

I wasn't trying to imply that it has been two years, but just two Christmas'.

But, OK. I'm fine with that.



aikohualda said:
bananaking21 said:

now before everybody goes and says im crazy just listen to what i got to say first, WiiU sales started out great but after a while they fell pretty quickly, even now its starting to get close to vita numbers (ouch) and one of the main reasons for that is the 3DS! yes the 3DS!

a video game console whether handheld or home console is bought for one main reason, the experience. and what created that is experience? the games!! now when we are just at the launch of the WiiU nintendo fans are the ones who are expected to be the early adaptors, but ask yourself, why buy a WiiU when you can buy a 3DS? lets look at the games, the main selling point of the WiiU is SMBU, but the 3DS just got a 2D mario months ago! the second biggest game the WiiU has? nintendoland, which is a good game but i think nintendo fans prefer super mario land and mario kart over it any day. what else does the WiiU have? ZombieU, from what i heard a good game but it isnt the kind of games nintendo fans usually like a buy, so why would they buy a console for it?

 

now lets look at the upcoming releases, WiiU has pikmin and bayonetta 2. while 3DS has luigi's mansion, pokemon and monster hunter. the 3DS is just a more attractive purchase when it comes to future releases as well. the first bayonetta game wasnt even released on the wii, why would nintendo fans care for it really?

 

now the question is, why buy a WiiU when you can buy the 3DS, have the same experiences and a lot more games for about half the price?

btw im not here to discuss the sales of the WiiU or attack it. im here because i really think that the 3DS is taking away sales from the WiiU and i think the same problem is happening with the vita but backwords, why buy a vita when you can buy a ps3? but thats another topic

i think sales would pick up mid of this year... even if nexbox or ps4 would come out later this year i think wii u would catch up with a good software support...

and there is always japan... pikmin would be a good support.

but the problem is the europe market... they should release more game that appeal to europe market

You might wanna go look at previous Pikmin sales in Japan. If there's any hope for it however it's the postive advertsiement from Brawl and NintyLand.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)