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How many people die a year in these mass shootings? Average 5 or 10? That's not even worth legislating about. I don't think they'll stop but restricting 300m people to save 10, who may well die anyway (because the shooters are clearly insane and would probably get weapons anyway).



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the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.

Absolutely impossible to tally restrict access.

How did alcohol prohibition turn out in the 20's and 30's?  What about drug bans?   Those aren't doing so well I hear.

There are over 400 million guns in the US.  It's simply not possible to round them all up or prevent any more from entering the country.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

non-gravity said:

legitimate people become criminals when taking a gun to do something criminal. If they didn't have the gun they wouldn't have become criminals. Thus gun control can never hurt criminals.


Oh, really? You can predict the future? The gun has an unexplainable aura permeating from it that makes people do things they wouldn't otherwise do? 

I'm sorry, but, your statement is one of the weakest and silliest I've heard, yet, in this entire debate. By that same thought process, the knives in knife incidents that go on in China, Japan, and the U.K. cause people to do things. Gun control hurts peaceful, law abiding citizens whose aim is to protect and defend, by disarming them. A black market ALWAYS ensues when ANYTHING is banned or outlawed, thus, the REAL criminals are the ones who have the means to arm themselves against the innocent and defenseless. That, or for those of you who think the police are upstanding and peaceful citizens (some of whom rape and trample people and rights themselves), are always just 10 minutes away. 

Crazy people are crazy, that's the part of living life as a human. 

And, no, the police and military are not the only ones who should be able to own and operate guns. Sorry, but, tell that to the Syrian people who are being mowed down by their own government and military right now. 



Viper1 said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.

Absolutely impossible to tally restrict access.

How did alcohol prohibition turn out in the 20's and 30's?  What about drug bans?   Those aren't doing so well I hear.

There are over 400 million guns in the US.  It's simply not possible to round them all up or prevent any more from entering the country.

Even just by looking at the healthy economy of the firearms business, I'd say the pros far outweights the cons. I don't promote random shooting of course, just stating facts about the money flow that benefits the country in general.



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Viper1 said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.

Absolutely impossible to tally restrict access.

How did alcohol prohibition turn out in the 20's and 30's?  What about drug bans?   Those aren't doing so well I hear.

There are over 400 million guns in the US.  It's simply not possible to round them all up or prevent any more from entering the country.

crazy thing is.  400 million is likely an underestimate.  I think that number is roughly taken by gun manufactuer numbers from 1970 to today.  Which ignores any guns before then and imported guns.  (of course it ignores exported guns too, as plenty go across the border to mexico.)

It also doesn't count home made guns... which, lots of people tend to make homemade guns, or even canons.



El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.



Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.



El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:
El_Machete said:
the only gun control that should exist is a total control ban. Soldiers and police man should be the only ones with access to guns, period.

I don't want my child going to a school where the teacher and principal are armed.

Yes people kill people, and the gun are only the tool. You can't predict when another crazy person decides to kill again, but you can restrict his access to the tool.



Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

And then we get the first major knife assault.  Will you request they be banned as well?

Cars kill more people every year than guns.   Prescription drugs even far more so.

Do spoons make us fat?  Do penicls make us fail a test?   Do shoes make us lose a race?  



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El_Machete said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Are you okay with a teacher or principal using the saws in wood shop? Or a fire extinguisher in home ecs class? How about them using scissors and that giant knife thing that cuts a bunch of paper at once in a straight line.

if you can point to me the massacres that were done with saws, scissors, giant knifes, and paper cutter then ill worry, but until then gun are best tool for the job, thus they should be taken away.

How about fertilizer and a rent a truck? no? Fine then I can easily answer you with 9-11. That was done due to box cutters and killed thousands

Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Which was are you okay with teachers using those instruments?