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Also remember docter patient privacy is big deal, meaning before you get your gun you should have to give them all rights to look into you mental condition. The Movie theater shooting would have been avoided if this was possible. The kid had major issues and the doctor couldn't put that out because of doctor patient privacy, which I think is a good thing but if you want a gun. Well you have to hand all that over or you don't get a gun.



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killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
killerzX said:
 

well not in this case, this guy had terrible gun control. fortunately he didnt kill more than 2. if he would have had competent gun control many more would have died.

to bad the was no armed law abiding citizen with great gun control, they could have prevented this


Ughh, If gun control was better, an idiot like that wouldn't own a gun in the first place not needing your "law abiding citizen"

 

Prevention is the key.

when has gun laws ever kept criminals from owning guns? because criminals follow laws, right?

and even if he somehow couldnt get his hands on a gun illegally, could he not have killed people with a sword, knife, bat, poisin, ninja stars, etc. he "only" killed 2 people, someone could easily kill more people with nothing other than their fists.

and you do know that according to the FBI, bats are the most used weapon in violent crimes, knives are second, gun dont rank in the top 5.


Crimanals like in chicago get it from states with out gun regulation. Like Indiana. Thats where they all come from , south chicago and from indiana. Believe me I know.  Lets just say when I was younger I had stupid friends.

Also a person with a bat or knife or other weapons can't do a mass shooting or mass killing and if they do it would be a hell of a lot harder. Lets say the shooter in colorado went in there with a knife or  bat. I bet no one died.

Also what is the number one killer in violent crimes?  I seen you skipped that. It's confirmed you listen to Rush. LOLLLLLOLOLO



killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
killerzX said:
 

well not in this case, this guy had terrible gun control. fortunately he didnt kill more than 2. if he would have had competent gun control many more would have died.

to bad the was no armed law abiding citizen with great gun control, they could have prevented this


Ughh, If gun control was better, an idiot like that wouldn't own a gun in the first place not needing your "law abiding citizen"

 

Prevention is the key.

when has gun laws ever kept criminals from owning guns? because criminals follow laws, right?

and even if he somehow couldnt get his hands on a gun illegally, could he not have killed people with a sword, knife, bat, poisin, ninja stars, etc. he "only" killed 2 people, someone could easily kill more people with nothing other than their fists.

and you do know that according to the FBI, bats are the most used weapon in violent crimes, knives are second, gun dont rank in the top 5.

If the guns were destroyed and managed/sold properly I'm sure it would work. We did it here in Australia. I remember seeing an add for a free gun if you made a bank account in the US. How ridiculous. Bats are more accessible which is why they're used.... It's like comparing alcohol drinkers to people on heroin. You can't because it would be stupid.



spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
killerzX said:
 

 

 

 


Crimanals like in chicago get it from states with out gun regulation. Like Indiana. Thats where they all come from , south chicago and from indiana. Believe me I know.  Lets just say when I was younger I had stupid friends.

I can not get a gun in Wisconsin because I am an Illinois resident... So again... your friends did something illegal to get the gun



Max King of the Wild said:
spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
killerzX said:
 

 

 

 


Crimanals like in chicago get it from states with out gun regulation. Like Indiana. Thats where they all come from , south chicago and from indiana. Believe me I know.  Lets just say when I was younger I had stupid friends.

I can not get a gun in Wisconsin because I am an Illinois resident... So again... your friends did something illegal to get the gun

It's obvious you don't understand. Gangs live in every state and one buys it and passes it on. Since it's not a big deal and not regulated that hard. No one pays attention..

You just proved a point, if we had nation wide regulation it would be harder for them. L



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spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
spaceguy said:
Galaki said:
animegaming said:
 we need better gun control

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.



People with guns kill people. All we are asking is for tests to make sure you are mentally stable to own a gun.

that is already a requirement. you must pass a background check.

the only gun control i am in support of (as are almost all gun rights activists) is background checks to ensure people people who cannot own guns legally, dont get to buy them (so felons, and people who have been determined mentally unstable by doctors) if are background checks arent working, we need to improve them.

but that is the only gun restriction i support. you go to the store the owner calls up the BAFTE gives them your info, the look you up. You arent a felon, no doctors have deemed you mentally insane (mental defficiency or what ever). good to go.

How about a class? how to use it? Store it? Learn about what is the most common deaths from guns, You can teach people how to handle there guns and what steps they should take. Thats all I would want. Oh yea also a assault weapon ban. No need for that. You don't need to kill groups of people or whatever your doing with the gun.

while i advocate, and strongly urge any and all gun owners to be well trained. and i always recomend novices to take classes i dont think that should be a requirement. and i have taken several classes, they werent all that necessary for me, as i was already a very competent gun owner, shooter. and this goes for many gun owners, they grew up around guns, they know how to use them. kind of unrelated but i assume you think voter ID is a pole tax, well for me mandantory gun classes are a poll tax of sorts.

as an aside, a gun training class is required to get a conceal carry license in all but 3 states.

i wish school tought basic safe gun handling to students (not necessarly shooting classes, but like for younger kids, if you see a gun, dont touch it, and immediately tell an adult, when the get older, never, never ever point a gun at somebody, also check to see if the gun is unloaded, even if you think and or have checked to ensure its unloaded always treat a gun as if it were load. only point a gun at a somethin you are willing to destroy. meaning pointing at a wall, whats beyond the wall are there people in the other room. i wish school would teach kids that stuff, not to fear guns, but to respect them.)

 

as for your want for an assualt weapons bans. i curious, what do you consider an assault weapon.



killerzX said:
spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
spaceguy said:
Galaki said:
animegaming said:
 we need better gun control

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.



People with guns kill people. All we are asking is for tests to make sure you are mentally stable to own a gun.

that is already a requirement. you must pass a background check.

the only gun control i am in support of (as are almost all gun rights activists) is background checks to ensure people people who cannot own guns legally, dont get to buy them (so felons, and people who have been determined mentally unstable by doctors) if are background checks arent working, we need to improve them.

but that is the only gun restriction i support. you go to the store the owner calls up the BAFTE gives them your info, the look you up. You arent a felon, no doctors have deemed you mentally insane (mental defficiency or what ever). good to go.

How about a class? how to use it? Store it? Learn about what is the most common deaths from guns, You can teach people how to handle there guns and what steps they should take. Thats all I would want. Oh yea also a assault weapon ban. No need for that. You don't need to kill groups of people or whatever your doing with the gun.

while i advocate, and strongly urge any and all gun owners to be well trained. and i always recomend novices to take classes i dont think that should be a requirement. and i have taken several classes, they werent all that necessary for me, as i was already a very competent gun owner, shooter. and this goes for many gun owners, they grew up around guns, they know how to use them. kind of unrelated but i assume you think voter ID is a pole tax, well for me mandantory gun classes are a poll tax of sorts.

as an aside, a gun training class is required to get a conceal carry license in all but 3 states.

i wish school tought basic safe gun handling to students (not necessarly shooting classes, but like for younger kids, if you see a gun, dont touch it, and immediately tell an adult, when the get older, never, never ever point a gun at somebody, also check to see if the gun is unloaded, even if you think and or have checked to ensure its unloaded always treat a gun as if it were load. only point a gun at a somethin you are willing to destroy. meaning pointing at a wall, whats beyond the wall are there people in the other room. i wish school would teach kids that stuff, not to fear guns, but to respect them.)

 

as for your want for an assualt weapons bans. i curious, what do you consider an assault weapon.


Also remember docter patient privacy is big deal, meaning before you get your gun you should have to give them all rights to look into you mental condition. The Movie theater shooting would have been avoided if this was possible. The kid had major issues and the doctor couldn't put that out because of doctor patient privacy, which I think is a good thing but if you want a gun. Well you have to hand all that over or you don't get a gun.

 

I suggest you look into the Colorado movie theater shooting. The kid was seeing doctors and councelors. How did this fly under the rader if your so sure are laws are fine. THats the point they are not and you know it.



spaceguy said:
Also remember docter patient privacy is big deal, meaning before you get your gun you should have to give them all rights to look into you mental condition. The Movie theater shooting would have been avoided if this was possible. The kid had major issues and the doctor couldn't put that out because of doctor patient privacy, which I think is a good thing but if you want a gun. Well you have to hand all that over or you don't get a gun.


i think i agree with this is seems like a mojor overlap happened. under our current laws, he should not have been allowed to own a gun. yet he did.

i think a system should be in place where only  madical info that should be available in a background check, and i mean only is if a doctor explicitly states in he eval of you that you are mentally not competent or what ever. so the background check commences, the BAFTE searches you info, and only if doctors or what ever have deemed you unfit, then a red flag comes up.



spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
ironmanDX said:
killerzX said:
 

well not in this case, this guy had terrible gun control. fortunately he didnt kill more than 2. if he would have had competent gun control many more would have died.

to bad the was no armed law abiding citizen with great gun control, they could have prevented this


Ughh, If gun control was better, an idiot like that wouldn't own a gun in the first place not needing your "law abiding citizen"

 

Prevention is the key.

when has gun laws ever kept criminals from owning guns? because criminals follow laws, right?

and even if he somehow couldnt get his hands on a gun illegally, could he not have killed people with a sword, knife, bat, poisin, ninja stars, etc. he "only" killed 2 people, someone could easily kill more people with nothing other than their fists.

and you do know that according to the FBI, bats are the most used weapon in violent crimes, knives are second, gun dont rank in the top 5.


Crimanals like in chicago get it from states with out gun regulation. Like Indiana. Thats where they all come from , south chicago and from indiana. Believe me I know.  Lets just say when I was younger I had stupid friends.

Also a person with a bat or knife or other weapons can't do a mass shooting or mass killing and if they do it would be a hell of a lot harder. Lets say the shooter in colorado went in there with a knife or  bat. I bet no one died.

Also what is the number one killer in violent crimes?  I seen you skipped that. It's confirmed you listen to Rush. LOLLLLLOLOLO

well guns a still readily available to criminals in countries that ban them, like mexico, not only that our government supplies some of them. but no one can gaurentee that a criminal wont gain access to guns. and the only way to possibly outright ban them would be repeal the second amendment. so in the mean time, citizens should be able to arm themsleves.

with out guns criminals will still rape, murder, steal, etc. would the be less mass killing, like 5 or more people at a time. i dont doubt that. but it wont end crime. in almost every case where guns a banned or restricted crime goes up, when gun laws a laxed, ccw, etc crime goes down.

but i dont blame these shooting a guns, or the availability of them, but on the individual, and what shaped him. we have a crime culture, gang, and thug culture. before the 1940's machine guns were readily available to every including kids, and by mail order, we didnt have any school shooting or whatever back then. thats becuase our culture, and i believe the break down of the family.

as for you last part. Rush?? limbaugh? rarely. i got that stat from a gun rights site that gathers tons of crime info.



spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
spaceguy said:
killerzX said:
spaceguy said:
Galaki said:
animegaming said:
 we need better gun control

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.



People with guns kill people. All we are asking is for tests to make sure you are mentally stable to own a gun.

that is already a requirement. you must pass a background check.

the only gun control i am in support of (as are almost all gun rights activists) is background checks to ensure people people who cannot own guns legally, dont get to buy them (so felons, and people who have been determined mentally unstable by doctors) if are background checks arent working, we need to improve them.

but that is the only gun restriction i support. you go to the store the owner calls up the BAFTE gives them your info, the look you up. You arent a felon, no doctors have deemed you mentally insane (mental defficiency or what ever). good to go.

How about a class? how to use it? Store it? Learn about what is the most common deaths from guns, You can teach people how to handle there guns and what steps they should take. Thats all I would want. Oh yea also a assault weapon ban. No need for that. You don't need to kill groups of people or whatever your doing with the gun.

while i advocate, and strongly urge any and all gun owners to be well trained. and i always recomend novices to take classes i dont think that should be a requirement. and i have taken several classes, they werent all that necessary for me, as i was already a very competent gun owner, shooter. and this goes for many gun owners, they grew up around guns, they know how to use them. kind of unrelated but i assume you think voter ID is a pole tax, well for me mandantory gun classes are a poll tax of sorts.

as an aside, a gun training class is required to get a conceal carry license in all but 3 states.

i wish school tought basic safe gun handling to students (not necessarly shooting classes, but like for younger kids, if you see a gun, dont touch it, and immediately tell an adult, when the get older, never, never ever point a gun at somebody, also check to see if the gun is unloaded, even if you think and or have checked to ensure its unloaded always treat a gun as if it were load. only point a gun at a somethin you are willing to destroy. meaning pointing at a wall, whats beyond the wall are there people in the other room. i wish school would teach kids that stuff, not to fear guns, but to respect them.)

 

as for your want for an assualt weapons bans. i curious, what do you consider an assault weapon.


Also remember docter patient privacy is big deal, meaning before you get your gun you should have to give them all rights to look into you mental condition. The Movie theater shooting would have been avoided if this was possible. The kid had major issues and the doctor couldn't put that out because of doctor patient privacy, which I think is a good thing but if you want a gun. Well you have to hand all that over or you don't get a gun.

 

I suggest you look into the Colorado movie theater shooting. The kid was seeing doctors and councelors. How did this fly under the rader if your so sure are laws are fine. THats the point they are not and you know it.

i adressed this. as i said i agree he should have been able to own a gun. there needs to be a system in place that keeps people like him from getting while als balancing privacy.