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I honestly cannot say that it is better or superior in terms of gameplay/mechanics from an unbiased perspective. I can however say that I like PSABR a ton better because I love these characters. Granted, I haven't played all of their games but I knew exactly from what games they came from. Nintendo characters are just a tad too childish. Just a tad.

I always enjoyed playing Smash bros brawl when i would go to my cousin's house and we played it on his Wii. I mainly used Link but god knows, I was terrible at it and as I said, I just didn't like the roster. You got like 7 mario characters, 2 or 3 different links, Ganon who is basically Captain falcon, I hate kirby with a passion, metaknight was a dick, and the rest I didn't even look at.

Being a Sony fan, I'm not ashamed to admit that I think this game is way better than Smash bros. The moves, the characters, the stages (I wish they had more and can't wait for the DLC ones) and the theme music. All of it, it just works for me.



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Love the whole super thing because you have choices on which super you see fit for a fight and sometimes they are a bitch to land.



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Being a Sony fan, I'm not ashamed to admit that I think this game is way better than Smash bros. The moves, the characters, the stages (I wish they had more and can't wait for the DLC ones) and the theme music. All of it, it just works for me.

yeah, I definitely think one way that Playstation All-Stars outshines Smash Brothers is in the dynamic, mixed stages.  Smash Brothers has MORE stages and a level builder, but those mashups in All Stars and the way the levels are constantly changing and updating while still being the same is...for lack of a better term, unrivaled.  

This is why, in my review, I made a point to say that I hope this game becomes a series, becuase a sequel could be game of the year material if they improve it as much as Melee improved from the original.  



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F0X said:

I'm not speaking specifically of balance, but your assumption that Meta Knight is so overpowered that he's an instant win even to a novice is ridiculous. Ultimately this is the kind of thing that has a much bigger impact on high-level competitive play than anything else. As for why I think PSABR is less interesting, it's because it caters more towards a small minority I'm not a part of. Not saying I wouldn't enjoy it as something similar to SSB, but it doesn't appeal to me as much. A whole different philosophy is at play.

It's not ridiculous. I said two beginners.

It's like playing paintball for fun with some other newb friends, giving one a regular gun with weak aim and another a semi-automatic with good aim. It's no fun.

And also, you don't need to say shit like my opinion is ridiculous, it's not needed. Especially when the point is debatable.



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I'm a huge Smash Bros fan and I also a huge fan of classic style fighters like Street Fighter IV, Tekken, Soul Calibur, and DOA. So please tell me why I should play this game instead of those? I play Smash Bros because it is unique and fun and filled with Nintendo history. I play classic fighters when I want my tactile fighting fix. If I don't care about Sony mascots what is my reason for spending 60 bucks on this game?

So what you're saying is that you play Smash Bros just because it's full of Nintendo history?  I play Smash Bros because it's a fun game, not because I like the characters.  

Playstation All Stars as well as Super Smash Bros would still be good games whether they were full of character mascots or not.  First time you ever played a Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, Tekken, DoA, etc, did you play the games because the game sold you based on a character from another franchise?  Maybe Soul Calibur, but otherwise, no.  These characters might come from a wide range of games, but that doesn't mean because you don't know of the characters it's not something worth playing.  If you've never played any of these games, then just like Bloody Roar(listing a game you didn't list,) it's like playing a new IP with unique characters.

King of Fighters '94 and all future titles is a series based on characters from thier other series.  Maybe people shouldn't have bought into that series because they never played the games they were based from.  What you're saying in your quote is the exact same thing.


Why do you read so blindly. I gave three reasons for loving Smash.. Unique, Fun, and filled with Nintendo history. Those are three highly respected qualities bro. When a game is actually fun it is a sign of many things including great game design.



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Nice joke.

I am not a fan of either game, but i can tell Smash brothers is alot more interesting.



happydolphin said:
F0X said:

I'm not speaking specifically of balance, but your assumption that Meta Knight is so overpowered that he's an instant win even to a novice is ridiculous. Ultimately this is the kind of thing that has a much bigger impact on high-level competitive play than anything else. As for why I think PSABR is less interesting, it's because it caters more towards a small minority I'm not a part of. Not saying I wouldn't enjoy it as something similar to SSB, but it doesn't appeal to me as much. A whole different philosophy is at play.

It's not ridiculous. I said two beginners.

It's like playing paintball for fun with some other newb friends, giving one a regular gun with weak aim and another a semi-automatic with good aim. It's no fun.

And also, you don't need to say shit like my opinion is ridiculous, it's not needed. Especially when the point is debatable.


Normally I wouldn't, but it seemed like an assumption that could be made without much thought given to how Super Smash Bros. is designed. Fighters aren't the only factor - items and stage events are the great equalizer. It's true that a character like Meta Knight will always have an advantage on, say, Final Destination with no items turned on, but that's not how two new players would typically play SSB. Further, I think you overestimate how much more powerful Meta Knight is compared to even the weakest of fighters (according to the opinion of those who play the game in a specific fashion). You must understand that professional-level SSB is a whole different style of play than normal, meaning that certain advantages given to certain fighters have a magnified impact. Better balance is plus, for sure, but I think this issue has been blown out of water by a small vocal minority.

For that matter, I haven't heard good things about PSABR's character balance either.



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F0X said:
happydolphin said:
F0X said:

I'm not speaking specifically of balance, but your assumption that Meta Knight is so overpowered that he's an instant win even to a novice is ridiculous. Ultimately this is the kind of thing that has a much bigger impact on high-level competitive play than anything else. As for why I think PSABR is less interesting, it's because it caters more towards a small minority I'm not a part of. Not saying I wouldn't enjoy it as something similar to SSB, but it doesn't appeal to me as much. A whole different philosophy is at play.

It's not ridiculous. I said two beginners.

It's like playing paintball for fun with some other newb friends, giving one a regular gun with weak aim and another a semi-automatic with good aim. It's no fun.

And also, you don't need to say shit like my opinion is ridiculous, it's not needed. Especially when the point is debatable.


Normally I wouldn't, but it seemed like an assumption that could be made without much thought given to how Super Smash Bros. is designed. Fighters aren't the only factor - items and stage events are the great equalizer. It's true that a character like Meta Knight will always have an advantage on, say, Final Destination with no items turned on, but that's not how two new players would typically play SSB. Further, I think you overestimate how much more powerful Meta Knight is compared to even the weakest of fighters (according to the opinion of those who play the game in a specific fashion). You must understand that professional-level SSB is a whole different style of play than normal, meaning that certain advantages given to certain fighters have a magnified impact. Better balance is plus, for sure, but I think this issue has been blown out of water by a small vocal minority.

For that matter, I haven't heard good things about PSABR's character balance either.


Actually for the most part characters are really well balanced. They need to beef up around 2 characters a bit and nerf the AP gain for Kratos. That's all I can think of. Overall each character has their weaknesses and strengths that balances things out. I thnk Seth had a big influence on this



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F0X said:

Normally I wouldn't, but it seemed like an assumption that could be made without much thought given to how Super Smash Bros. is designed. Fighters aren't the only factor - items and stage events are the great equalizer. It's true that a character like Meta Knight will always have an advantage on, say, Final Destination with no items turned on, but that's not how two new players would typically play SSB. Further, I think you overestimate how much more powerful Meta Knight is compared to even the weakest of fighters (according to the opinion of those who play the game in a specific fashion). You must understand that professional-level SSB is a whole different style of play than normal, meaning that certain advantages given to certain fighters have a magnified impact. Better balance is plus, for sure, but I think this issue has been blown out of water by a small vocal minority.

For that matter, I haven't heard good things about PSABR's character balance either.

This guy is part of the smash community, and they have mulled over the topic over and over, I don't see how anyone could miss the "assumptions" you're referring to, and even if, we've all been beginners at smash at some point and CAN relate when it's brought up. Don't pretend to know more because you don't. I've played smash for as long as it's existed and even participated in the competitive scene as well, I know what it is.

As much as we both played smash the facts are that player against player (which many new players do, items turned off as well, I've been a beginner myself and have turned off items because I quickly realized how annoying it is to just die for no reason - Hammer in smash 64), certain players have priority over another. And Metaknight is one such character, and from what I understood it's because he's Sakurai's own creation.

The fact is the game is unbalanced, and player against player, with minimal items, for beginners who care about that kind of thing, it causes a lot of complaints and/or confusion (why do I suck?).

Just not good overall for what is entertainment value for a lot of people. When you fight against your friends, and you like a character, you don't want to have your ass handed to you repeatedly because your other friend is always picking the overpowered character.

In melee, I was able to handle sheik with Mario though she was pretty strong. Now, Mario against Metaknight, I just get raped all the time. I'm sure newbs know how to spam MK's moves too.



Okay, but to me PASBR is like a 7 and SSB a 9. I don't even think they're in the same league.