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pezus said:
This reminds me that I just saw on my FB feed that Nokia Lumia 920 is sold out at one retailer over here. Wonder if it's a significant number of phones though


I use share prices to indicate if a company's product is really making waves or if it's all just waffle.

Seeing Nokia's shares fall (now down to 2.56 today) tells me investers are not taking these sellouts at face value.



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Shubhank said:
Euphoria14 said:
Shubhank said:
I am not sure if Apple fans should be happy that iOS > Android in US or Android fans should be happy that Android > iOS for rest of the world :P


iPhone users are happy because they get great developer support and their devices retain high resale value.


And Android fans shouldn't be happy that they get more bang for the buck ?.

You are telling that iOS users should be happy that they have resale value?. so people who want to sell their devices should be the one getiing the iPhone?

App developers support can be much more arguable.

Both Android and iPhone has around equal numbers of apps.

What makes my fiance's Galaxy S3 more bang for the buck than my iPhone 4S? I would love to hear this one.

We both had Samsung Galaxy S (Captivate) before we upgraded in June. We both went with what we preferred. Nothing wrong with either device, but some of us value things differently. I enjoy the gaming support and Gamecenter achievements and leaderboards and she likes the large screen. She doesn't use it for music, I do and I enjoy being able to plug it right into the car or into my docking station at home. I also find the web browser to be faster and better overall, even though the screen is small, which to be honest I had issue with at first but now I really don't mind it as my eyes work perfectly fine.

 

Yes, resale value is extremely important. When I upgrade my phone, I can easily get $250 or more for my 4S. This easily allows me to upgrade to a new device without the need to lock myself into another 2-year contract. My fiance's S3 will dramatically drop in value when the new model rolls out, meaning we spend more out of pocket to upgrade, unless of course I lock myself into another 2-year contract.

You clearly misunderstand why resale value has importance. Nobody buys a smartphone and keeps it for an incredibly long time. People upgrade and wish to dump off their old devices for money on sites like eBay or Craig's list.



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Shubhank said:
Euphoria14 said:
Shubhank said:
I am not sure if Apple fans should be happy that iOS > Android in US or Android fans should be happy that Android > iOS for rest of the world :P


iPhone users are happy because they get great developer support and their devices retain high resale value.


And Android fans shouldn't be happy that they get more bang for the buck ?.

You are telling that iOS users should be happy that they have resale value?. so people who want to sell their devices should be the one getiing the iPhone?

App developers support can be much more arguable.

Both Android and iPhone has around equal numbers of apps.


I've been on an iPhone since the 3G, bought it for 200 on contract, 2 year later, sold it for more then that and used that money for iPhone 4 [on contract]. This year I got an iPhone 5 with the money I got selling my iPhone 4. [on contract]

I think I'm doing pretty good not paying for a phone in the last 4 years. Of course you could say that I'm paying for it with the monthly bills, but I've been paying 50* bucks a month for my phone since the iPhone 4. 200 for the 4 iphones in my family.

*unlimited talk and text and 3GB data.

 

Chances are in 2 years, I'll upgrade to the iPhone 6 for free.



^_^

pezus said:
This reminds me that I just saw on my FB feed that Nokia Lumia 920 is sold out at one retailer over here. Wonder if it's a significant number of phones though

2.5 million phones was the first shipment.



Wow people still use the line "Android has a higher market share because they have no products" this is a classic statement by the iClones.
So if Apple has the bigger market share,they are on top....if Apple has a lower market share,they are still on top?
I would make a counter argument about that. In my opinion that excuse makes no sense.

You see, having more phone types means more of a choice, it means you cant just walk into a store and say you want an "Android". You have to stand there and make a decision amongst ALL of the other phones. The reason why so many people take the time to do that is because they don't want IOS, they stand there just not to get an iPhone.

Apple has the lower market share because more people choose Android....simple as that. Use the excuse of phone variety all you want.

Hell most people don't even say the name of their phone any more. "I have an Android" is the most common answer when I ask what kind of cell they have.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Wow people still use the line "Android has a higher market share because they have no products" this is a classic statement by the iClones.
So if Apple has the bigger market share,they are on top....if Apple has a lower market share,they are still on top?
I would make a counter argument about that. In my opinion that excuse makes no sense.

You see, having more phone types means more of a choice, it means you cant just walk into a store and say you want an "Android". You have to stand there and make a decision amongst ALL of the other phones. The reason why so many people take the time to do that is because they don't want IOS, they stand there just not to get an iPhone.

Apple has the lower market share because more people choose Android....simple as that. Use the excuse of phone variety all you want.

Hell most people don't even say the name of their phone any more. "I have an Android" is the most common answer when I ask what kind of cell they have.

Look that in this way...

- iPhone bigger marketshare = ABSOLUTE AMAZING and UNBELIEVABLE with one model per year over $300.
- iPhone small markeshare but over 20% = GREAT with one model per year over $300.

win win

Because 1 model sales compared to 1000 models sales per year is unfair... so unfair... even so iPhone can top all these... EPIC.



Euphoria14 said:
Shubhank said:
Euphoria14 said:
Shubhank said:
I am not sure if Apple fans should be happy that iOS > Android in US or Android fans should be happy that Android > iOS for rest of the world :P


iPhone users are happy because they get great developer support and their devices retain high resale value.


And Android fans shouldn't be happy that they get more bang for the buck ?.

You are telling that iOS users should be happy that they have resale value?. so people who want to sell their devices should be the one getiing the iPhone?

App developers support can be much more arguable.

Both Android and iPhone has around equal numbers of apps.

What makes my fiance's Galaxy S3 more bang for the buck than my iPhone 4S? I would love to hear this one.

We both had Samsung Galaxy S (Captivate) before we upgraded in June. We both went with what we preferred. Nothing wrong with either device, but some of us value things differently. I enjoy the gaming support and Gamecenter achievements and leaderboards and she likes the large screen. She doesn't use it for music, I do and I enjoy being able to plug it right into the car or into my docking station at home. I also find the web browser to be faster and better overall, even though the screen is small, which to be honest I had issue with at first but now I really don't mind it as my eyes work perfectly fine.

 

Yes, resale value is extremely important. When I upgrade my phone, I can easily get $250 or more for my 4S. This easily allows me to upgrade to a new device without the need to lock myself into another 2-year contract. My fiance's S3 will dramatically drop in value when the new model rolls out, meaning we spend more out of pocket to upgrade, unless of course I lock myself into another 2-year contract.

You clearly misunderstand why resale value has importance. Nobody buys a smartphone and keeps it for an incredibly long time. People upgrade and wish to dump off their old devices for money on sites like eBay or Craig's list.


You will compare S3 with 4S ? lol

1) Bigger Screen ( dont say screen size doesn't matter . iPhone 5 and iPad mini  would not have been made then)

2) LTE 

3) Expandable Memory up to 64 GB .

4) Double RAM .

5) Quad Core Processor

6) Much Better Battery ( 4G vs 3G device).

As for features enjoying plugging into docking station.. There are many more advanced features for android device

For proof watch this vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-Rbm-m5Kk

So if we count the pros again.. android being an open platform has much much more options available

 

Now coming to resale part.

The thing is the carrier based 2 year contract works only in US..its nowhere as much adapted around the world.

So to sum up. Just because some different policy available in US . the resale value of iPhone makes it better for the US citizens.

i then quite agree with you iPhone is better for you..even though because of only its resale value.

Rest of the world is dominated by Android.

 

So what i see is Android task up ahead : shift US citizens to Android from iOS

iOS task up ahead : shift Rest of the world citizens to iOS from Android.

I pretty much know who is gonna come on top :D



So I just came here to say that a surge in marketshare was to be expected due to the iPhone 5 being the first new iPhone design in 2 years thus generating a lot of demand.

...and what I find is another stupid discussion about iOS vs Android. The Third World War will be iOS vs Android fanatics, I swear. We'll all get blown up because some stupid people couldn't stand others buying a different phone.



I wonder how much bigger the spike would have been if they had not been supply constrained. I live in the US and I ordered my iPhone 5 in mid-September. It finally came in at the beginning of November (about 6 weeks).

According to the article there is still a 1 week lag time between ordering and receiving.



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famousringo said:

Here's the funny thing about Android market share: It can't get enough.

In order to actually be a threat to iOS, Android needs to look like a more lucrative platform for developers and peripheral manufacturers. It needs to generate more web hits, ad impressions and online sales than iOS does. It needs to be used more than iOS.

Despite having a commanding 70% of the global smartphone market, I still read stories of app makers who do ten times as much business on iOS (and that's an improvement on the twenty times multiplier I was reading about a year or two ago). Web usage of iOS is twice as high as Android. Black Friday shopping on iOS was three times higher than Android.

This is a problem that Android simply can't grow itself out of. It would have to actually take market share from iOS, which is not something it has yet done, and doesn't seem likely to happen as long as every single network effect favours iOS.

Market share just isn't doing it for Android. It's getting itself into people's hands, but it's not going to succeed until those people start actually using it.

Edit: Also, the mobile forum is over this way.

You mean stuff like this? (facebooks internal push)

http://phandroid.com/2012/11/27/facebook-employees-android/