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America set to welcome its 51st state to the union

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the_dengle said:
RolStoppable said:
Signalstar said:
Not really a fan of odd numbers. Maybe California will split in half or something to get us to 52.

Or drop Ohio. Nobody likes Cleveland anyway.

You guys have it backwards, we need to merge two states together to keep it at 50.

I suggest Maryland and Delaware.


North Dakota and South Dakota?



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the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Why does Puerto Rico belong to the USA? I thought it was an independent country

It's a renmant territory gained after the Spanish-American war. 

I just looked it up and that was over 100 years ago, how come it wasn't considered to become a state till now?

Good question.



This wasn't overlooked by the community. It came up in another thread, and was discussed in that thread. That said this is as ever in the hands of Congress. Basically their opinion is the only one that matters. If they choose to see this as popular consent then it is so. This is a non-binding vote, because the residents of the island have no right to self determination. Only congress can mandate a binding resolution. None of you should confuse the nicety of letting the people express their opinion with any kind of necessity. Congress can do what it wants with or without their consent.

I know that may sound undemocratic and even a little cold blooded, but the residents of the island have spent a lot of time and effort refusing to choose a path. I have never understood how a tax benefit could possibly be so precious that you would voluntarily give up a right to vote about what happens to you. Hell I can't see how some of them can vote for independence when half the islands population lives inside the continental United States. It comes across as kind of dismissive.

Anyway the vote will probably accomplish what it set out to do in the first place. Namely it is probably going to force the issue once and for all. Congress could end up just accepting the result, and bring the Island into the Union. Congress could mandate a binding resolution, but that would probably just be a vote between statehood, and independence. Since staying put was the real loser, and greater autonomy wasn't likely to be accepted by the Congress in the first place. The US Navy likes to use the islands beaches for target practice.

In either event the result ends up being a new state. Granted it may take some time to move to the top of the agenda, but it is one of those feel good votes that improves public opinion. Don't be fooled in the least. Manifest Destiny is still powerfully symbolic with voters. When the nation gets bigger the vast majority of voters do think the nation is moving in the right direction.



Is Puerrto Rico's population included in the US population according to official statistics?



morenoingrato said:
Good for them! Of course, a lot of changes will be needed for it reach the standards of American states.

Who votes for independence of the U.S anyway? :-O


Mississippi the poorest state right now isn't that much better off then Puerto Rico.  Also when it comes to tourism I would visit Puerto Rico before I visit Mississippi.  And I drove through Mississippi before on my way to Orlando, Florida.  The worst strech of I -10 was definitely in that state.



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RolStoppable said:
Signalstar said:
Not really a fan of odd numbers. Maybe California will split in half or something to get us to 52.

Or drop Ohio. Nobody likes Cleveland anyway.


Dude?!  No....!  Ohio (and me, for that matter) picks the president. :P  Make North and South Dakota into one state...  Or turn West Virgina and Virgina back into one state.



Slimebeast said:
Is Puerrto Rico's population included in the US population according to official statistics?


Nope, they aren't. I'm almost sure of that.



 

 

 

 

 

Chris Hu said:
morenoingrato said:
Good for them! Of course, a lot of changes will be needed for it reach the standards of American states.

Who votes for independence of the U.S anyway? :-O


Mississippi the poorest state right now isn't that much better off then Puerto Rico.  Also when it comes to tourism I would visit Puerto Rico before I visit Mississippi.  And I drove through Mississippi before on my way to Orlando, Florida.  The worst strech of I -10 was definitely in that state.


I live off I-10 in Mississippi and it's 95% trees.  There is gulfport which looks nice and diberville which is just shopping centers.  The poorest city you'll pass is Moss Point and that exit is food and hotels.  There is one exit with a truck stop and scrapyard.  I-10 was completely repaved after Katrina and never had major bumps.  Thus I can conclude you just made up that state.  I travel from east Mississippi to New Orleans once a week and travel the on I-10 the entire way.  

I'm not saying Mississippi doesn't have really crappy sections but the Gulf Coast mostly has money and is completely different from the rest of the state.  You should have said you traveled on I-59, then I'd conclude you weren't making stuff up. 



voty2000 said:
Chris Hu said:
morenoingrato said:
Good for them! Of course, a lot of changes will be needed for it reach the standards of American states.

Who votes for independence of the U.S anyway? :-O


Mississippi the poorest state right now isn't that much better off then Puerto Rico.  Also when it comes to tourism I would visit Puerto Rico before I visit Mississippi.  And I drove through Mississippi before on my way to Orlando, Florida.  The worst strech of I -10 was definitely in that state.


I live off I-10 in Mississippi and it's 95% trees.  There is gulfport which looks nice and diberville which is just shopping centers.  The poorest city you'll pass is Moss Point and that exit is food and hotels.  There is one exit with a truck stop and scrapyard.  I-10 was completely repaved after Katrina and never had major bumps.  Thus I can conclude you just made up that state.  I travel from east Mississippi to New Orleans once a week and travel the on I-10 the entire way.  

I'm not saying Mississippi doesn't have really crappy sections but the Gulf Coast mostly has money and is completely different from the rest of the state.  You should have said you traveled on I-59, then I'd conclude you weren't making stuff up. 

Well I-10 isn't exactly great in Lousiana and Alabama either it gets a lot better once your in Florida. 



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the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Why does Puerto Rico belong to the USA? I thought it was an independent country

It's a renmant territory gained after the Spanish-American war. 

I just looked it up and that was over 100 years ago, how come it wasn't considered to become a state till now?

Good question.


It hasn't.  It's been decades that puerto rico has considered statehood.

According to a friend of mine from PR, It's just most people don't want to pay taxes.  While there is also a 20% or so independence group.  If anything the independece group has been growing.


Congress has been too nice to force the issue so it's in limbo until something drastically swings them.