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The Abrahamic God has a lot of different messages that he is trying to spread as widely as possible. Most of which I would say contains a lot of value. For instance, off the top of my head:

 

- You should not kill or steal

- You should love even your worst enemy. Hate no one

- You should forgive even the worst criminals, given their apologies are sincere

- You should treat others no different from how you would like others to treat you  (though as we know there are exceptions to that one)

 

Etc, etc... So yes, there are quite a few things that the world should learn from the above - and that we all would benefit from if more people lived by them. And every day I am very thankful for my Christian upbringing, which put a lot of focus on the above exhortations.

 

...but this thread is not about that. This thread is dedicated to what I consider to be the sick part of God, namely his unconditional need for worshipping and attention. Has no believer ever asked himself/herself whether this part of God is actually necessary, or even justified? Especially when the cold truth is that we are suppost to be willing to commit beyond horrific actions just to show how much we love our creator. I mean, he once told Abraham, one of the most central figures when it comes to the Abrahamic religions (obviously), to kill his son, and Abraham was just about to do so, to God's relief, when God finally decided to call it off. Thus proving that God would rather watch us kill our families than stop worshipping him. He want our full, unconditional trust at all costs, even if that means committing crimes and highly immoral acts. And now Abraham, who was actually willing to kill his son in cold blood, is widely considered a great prophet...

How does anyone fail to see the sick part in this? We are supposed to put God above all laws and morals, and love him more than anything else. If he tells you to murder your wife and children you better be willing to do so, otherwise you don't deserve to have God's mercy. If you are not willing to blow up a school full of innocent children after God told you to do so, then that's to bad: You don't deserve him.

To me though, his message (regarding the points in the beginning of the thread) should work perfectly fine for all of humanity even if no one worshipped him. But he wants more; he would rather watch the whole world burn than be forgotten...

 

In conclusion: Let's just say I would rather not kill my future son or daughter than worship the greatest attention-whore known to man.



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Why do you call this the Achilles heel of God?



Slimebeast said:
Why do you call this the Achilles heel of God?


I suppose I could try to find a more accurate title, but the reason is that I find his need of attention to be his greatest weakness while all his main messages are solid.



The God of the Old Testament is clearly vengeful, tyrannical and jealous.

Christians justify this by saying that a lot of that book is not to be taken literally and/or the commandments were superseded by Jesus' teachings in the New Testament. By doing so they are making their own interpretation of the Bible and hence they are deciding what is right or wrong for themselves like anyone of no faith.

The way I see it is if God literally appeared and judged everyone today, most Christians would be found to be not worshipping him how he asked nor following his law.



I always found that odd... but I don't think he would ask anyone to blow-up a school of children, that's quite the blown up assumption. :P

Otherwise, he deserves to be worshiped for the reasons you've said.



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Reading your op reminds me of recent people trying to show God that they are listening and following him... Like that sick bitch Andrea Yates. Drowns her kids and then claims that God told her to.  She is one dedicated follower.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Slimebeast said:
Why do you call this the Achilles heel of God?


I suppose I could try to find more accurate one, but the reason is that I find his need of attention to be his greatest weakness while all his main messages are solid.

Okay. But in what way weakness? Is God's strong need of attention and devotion a weakness from the perspective of a believer or from the perspective of a potential-but-not-yet-believer or from the perspective of let's say an atheist who as "an outsider" judges different religions by their ethical frameworks?



You're trying to bring logic to faith, which in its very essence is alogical. Don't even bother.



I believe that if there is a god, he/she/it will acknowledge our actions without needing to worship anything.



Slimebeast said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Slimebeast said:
Why do you call this the Achilles heel of God?


I suppose I could try to find more accurate one, but the reason is that I find his need of attention to be his greatest weakness while all his main messages are solid.

Okay. But in what way weakness? Is God's strong need of attention and devotion a weakness from the perspective of a believer or from the perspective of a potential-but-not-yet-believer or from the perspective of let's say an atheist who as "an outsider" judges different religions by their ethical frameworks?


Well, I guess it also is what makes him strong, as some people are willing to do almost (with great emphasis on almost) everything in the name of God. But I used the word "weakness" because I find it the main reason why people should not I want to worship him: It would require them to let go of everything that they love, in case he wanted them to do so.

I should point out though that I am certain most Christians (and believers of a similar god) would not kill their families even if God told them to. People love their family more, which is not what God wants. God want you to love him more than anything else.

I should also point out that I am talking about God as he is described in the Bible.