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will he admit it?

no 7 15.91%
 
yes 30 68.18%
 
Would be stupid if he did 1 2.27%
 
If he ever wants to race again, yes. 5 11.36%
 
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a innocent man wouldn't give up this easily.. wich he did.. now what does that tell you



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Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Now that he has been officialy stripped from its titles, means that all the other one can now claim for victory and prejudice... Also, this can lead now to real investigation, now that he won't be protected by an army of lawyers...

He has not been stripped of the titles. He will if he does not change his mind and continue to participate in the investigation. 

if everybody cheats than the one who does not is the fool.

Even if he was using undetectable drugs, they must not have been illegal at the time and so anyone could use them.



Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Credible testimony of eye witnesses is as good proof ad heing caught with dope in your system. People get found guily of crimes all the time without any physical evidence.

On the flip side 500 tests and all of them a pass is statistically improbable. All the eyewitnesses are drug cheats themselves, what deal have they cut with USADA to testify?

On the flip flip side, if as one famous drug cheating coach said: 60% of olympic athletes are drug cheats so only a small fraction of drug cheats get caught. Lesson, if you're smart then you won't get caught no matter how many times you are tested. Armstong, and his crew, are probably smart enough to stay ahead of the testing ball. e.g. Armstrong may have been using EPO before WADA developed a test for EPO, then blood doping before they started testing for that, then... there's always a new performance enhancing drug on the market and until WADA develops a test for it you can use it with impunity. If the drug cheats who are testifying against Armstrong are not gettig any deal from USADA then their credibility can't be questioned too much, although jealousy is a very strong and evil motive for wanting to bring someone down, it is figuratively an all consuming fire than can burn away all traces of decency.

So, lack of physical evidence is meaningless if the eyewitnesses are credible. So it all comes down to that.

Also of note is WADA supports USADA's course of action, and the UCI have a vested interest in seeing their greatest poster child not fall from grace. So no one has totally clean hands in this.

Armstong should listen to Naruto, if he's innocent and "never give up, no matter what!"



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Naum said:
a innocent man wouldn't give up this easily.. wich he did.. now what does that tell you


not sure what your talking about he has been fighting this for years against a group that is mentally tearing him down and will never give up until he does



He was obviously doping, he didnt want to fight this anymore because its better for him that there is still a sliver of doubt that he didnt do it. If he goes forth and fights this case the evidence that they bring forward would prove his guilt, and being the cheating scumbag he is, he doesnt want that.

Why else would he let them run his name through the dirt and just give up.



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still waiting for phelps lol



I'd actually go the other way.

Let everybody in cycling dope.

They are all doping anyway.

Lance Armstrong was likely doing it, because most everybody else is as well, so it's unreasonable to think that he could be so dominant clean.



You wouldnt strip someone of 7 tour de France titles unless you have some pretty hard evidence to back it up.
If there was any evidence Armstrong is innocent, he would be suing the arses of his accusers.



Kasz216 said:
I'd actually go the other way.

Let everybody in cycling dope.

They are all doping anyway.

Lance Armstrong was likely doing it, because most everybody else is as well, so it's unreasonable to think that he could be so dominant clean.

the problem is that it is unhealthy and you simply can't say officially "hey if you want to be successful in sports, use something risky for your heart or whatever"

and it works not the same for everyone, some get a much bigger "boost" than others which would make it just luck if you or another body is ready most for that (we all know how that would work for reggie)



I think he doesnt want to go to court against Jeff Novitzky ...
He was the guy who brought Marion Jones into jail because of false oath ...

I think he is just afraid to do a false oath and get into jail if they really find out that he was doping.