what are you talking about. Im not talking about tax if thats what your getting at. I mean as punishment take away 75% just a number I made up on the spot of his personal wealth and give it away to charity so that the money I supposed he shouldnt have got can go towards a good cause.

I think he should give 2% of his wealth away. Because that's the advantage doping gave him at most. And if I took the advantage over others it would be - 0%.

I didn't know people cared so much about bicycling...

Depends what you mean. That it's easy to avoid being caught, or that there's some pretty heavy corruption going on?

He did test positive in 1999 but he managed to get the test result buried. Then a French newspaper came out a few years later and exposed the 1999 test and it was more or less pilloried for it. I must admit to initially thinking it was French sour grapes, but part of me always thought there's no smoke without fire. So the French newspaper article made me suspect. So if you mean the tests are easy to beat, I disagree that it's a waste, people are still caught. But if you mean there's corruption then yes it seems it could be a bit of a joke.

He's the epitome of do whatever it takes to win and stay on top. A motive that some people credit as virtue, which I find unfathomable. It's a perversion of striving for excellence and determination, both of which are commendable attitudes. But when mixed with win at all costs it's toxic.

Awful interview, she really let him off the hook. I wonder will she go a bit harder on him in part two? Probably not. Specifically I'd like to see her suggest that he defrauded his sponsors, see what he says to that. What an arsehole.

Anyway, someone at the start of the thread asked the usual question: who should be given his Tour titles since everyone was doping? Well here's an article showing the hishest placing rider never implicated in doping for each of his wins. Not conclusive but interesting stuff anyway

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/really-won-tours-lance-153516263.html

The guy has over $100M in assets... He's crying all the way to the bank.

^^^Good. Then he should be able to return all his prize money.

It's amazing some people don't get that this is more than just about doping.

Yes, EVERYONE IN CYCLING IS (or was) DOPED. No argument.

The difference is that almost all - if not all of them - admitted it. Lance took people to court over his lies.
That is what I hold against him.

kowenicki said: Squilliam said: The guy has over $100M in assets... He's crying all the way to the bank. For now.  The insurers underwriting the sponsors rewards WILL go after him.  I hope he goes bankrupt.  This guy has ruined people to get where he is

Hopefully.

kowenicki said: Squilliam said: The guy has over $100M in assets... He's crying all the way to the bank. For now.  The insurers underwriting the sponsors rewards WILL go after him.  I hope he goes bankrupt.  This guy has ruined people to get where he is

This is the important thing, isn't it? You always hear the same excuses: "Everyone in cycling was doing it", "he raised loads of money for charity" (although there are questions that can be raised about that too) and, until recently, the ridiculous "nothing has been proven". But these don't address the real reason people hate him, which is that he's an absolutely awful person who has ruined other people's lives and shown absolutely no contrition.

I had to weigh in on this, as it really pisses me. And it's not just Lance in Cycling. It's Mark McGuire/Jose Consaco/Barry Bonds in Baseball. Mike Tyson in boxing. And so many more that I can't even think of at the moment, plus those not caught yet. What this does is not only makes them a FAKE winner, but it robs every other athlete who spent their life legitimately working towards a dream (what few do actually attempt it fairly that is). I know that if I had spent my life attempting to train, eat right, loose sleep in preparation for an event, only to loose to a doping cheater, I'd BE PISSED AS HELL. Then all those athletes that lost, and have passed their prime, or gave it their all on their one big game/shot/chance/event, only to loose to a DOPING CHEATER!!!

Just such a shame and completely ruins the idea of competition. As this is SO prevalent now, you almost HAVE to assume that someone is cheating....How is that supposed to inspire someone/anyone, to go out there and give it there all, knowing someone else is going to come along and steal the win, by cheating. But that's the nature of the dirt-bag humans for ya. Take what you can, hurt whoever you have to in the process to get what you want, feel no shame or remorse about it, and still believe that what you did in some way was a good thing. P-E-O-P-L-E