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Kasz216 said:
Epic_Bro_Fist said:
Mad55 said:
Epic_Bro_Fist said:
IamAwsome said:
The only way they would know the exact specs is if they stole a Wii U and tore it open.


Wouldn't it be possible for MS to just ask Epic about the specs of the Wii U since Epic as a publisher would have probably gotten a dev kit?

Well that would be pretty shady of epic to do and Im pretty sure Nintendo doesn't  want them to.

I imagine that Epic's loyalty  would lean on Micrsofts side of the court.

Enough to face legal reprecussions?

No doubt everyone who has an early dev kit signed an NDA.

Forget about the legal action.

What is more scarey is the way he is thinking. Hopefully the next genaeration of game developers will not have the same mentality.

Developers get paid to work and not to be loyal fanboys trying to harm competitors that they do not like. If your management tells you to develop a game on a nokia phone, that is what you do,

It is better then the alternative of loosing your reputation and paycheck.



 

 

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Adinnieken said:
archbrix said:
Well, it's PR talk so it's no surprise to hear this, but I just don't get the general consensus behind this opinion. Games like Pikmin 3 and Project P-100 (in addition to Assassin's Creed 3, Aliens, Darksiders, etc) would be right at home visually on the 360 or PS3 RIGHT NOW in their matured lifespan... and WiiU hasn't even been released yet.

Gears of War handily dwarfed the 360's launch games just a year later, so saying that WiiU is "basically on par with Xbox 360" based solely on what we've seen so far is quite premature; particularly considering what we know/have heard concerning specs.


The Wii U has a quad-core processor based on the Power7 processor running at 3GHz.  The Xbox 360 has a tri-core based on the Power5+ processor running at 3.2GHz.

The challenge is this.  If we look at the specs, there is an improvement over the Xbox 360, but the problem is one report has suggested that the processor in the Wii U is nerfed at 2 hardware threads per core, rather than 4 hardware threads.  Thus the improvement in processing power over the 360 is significantly less.

I don't think Microsoft is arguing that the power of the Wii U is a 1:1 facsimile of the Xbox 360.  However, so far I don't think any of the reports that have come out have suggested that it is so significantly better than the Xbox 360 that a developer couldn't easily develop a game for both the 360 and the Wii U given the similarity in hardware and controller scheme with the Pro controller.

In other words, I think Microsoft is trying to suggest to developers.  Hey, if you have something you're doing specifically for the Wii U, you can probably make it work just as easily on the Xbox 360.  The flip side of that possibly being just as true.

 

While I certainly don't expect the WiiU's POWER7 to be "Watson" powerful, neither Nintendo nor IBM have confirmed the number of active cores, threads per core, clock rate, amount of cache, etc.  So while there is that report that you speak of, there are also other opinions (such as Gearbox's Randy Pitchford) that indicate the CPU is more powerful than the Xenon.  And with the strongly rumored GPU (R700 family) and the all-but-confirmed increase in RAM (nearly 3 times as much), making WiiU games a year or so down the road work on 360 may not be as easy as you think; especially when regarding simultaneously active screens in use.  In any case, saying WiiU is basically on par with 360, as Spencer suggests, is what I was contesting since I believe it's too early to declare that.

Incidentally, is it just me or does anyone else find it strange that it's almost always GamesIndustry.biz where these reports of WiiU's "underpowered" hardware emanate from?



WiiU will make 360 and PS3 last way past 10 years if graphics potential is similar.

Any WiiU game could be a 360/PS3 game also for easy profit. Nintendo just guaranteed the 10 year lifecycle and beyond for their competitors



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

I don't think Epic would risk that since they would get majorly sued by Nintendo.



sales2099 said:
WiiU will make 360 and PS3 last way past 10 years if graphics potential is similar.

Any WiiU game could be a 360/PS3 game also for easy profit. Nintendo just guaranteed the 10 year lifecycle and beyond for their competitors

You gotta love these types of comments. Ahh, always good for a laugh.

@archie. Never noticed that! Propaganda? Yeah!



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BasilZero said:

Actually it is a possibility but only if both Sony and MS goes with it, I mean I can see Sony doing it but MS nope.

We could easily be seeing third party software coming out on the current gen systems and the Wii-U multiplatform form beyond 2014.

Sure, if you want to think of it that way. It would be crazy to think it wasn't going to happen anyways, the twins took forever to finally amorce the manufacturers would be nuts to just phase them out from one day to the next.

Seriously, it has little to do with the WiiU at this point.



BasilZero said:
happydolphin said:
BasilZero said:

Actually it is a possibility but only if both Sony and MS goes with it, I mean I can see Sony doing it but MS nope.

We could easily be seeing third party software coming out on the current gen systems and the Wii-U multiplatform form beyond 2014.

Sure, if you want to think of it that way. It would be crazy to think it wasn't going to happen anyways, the twins took forever to finally amorce the manufacturers would be nuts to just phase them out from one day to the next.

Seriously, it has little to do with the WiiU at this point.

Yeah it has little to do with the Wii-U, but it opens up possibilities which is always nice in the end for the average gamer and for smaller based companies with smaller budget games.

Remember the PS2 in its final years (when it was getting software), it was still getting software even though little bit and lesser known franchises.

But I honestly think that third party software that would get released on the Wii-U could possibly be released on the PS3/Xbox360 but only if the third party companies make it for the systems unless they go exclusive like Muramasa.

This is great news for gamers as it gives a choice for them. (And no I dont mean the article, I meant if the above I posted is true xD).

Aaah! The PS2 is the best-selling console of all time. I don't think the comparison is fai-er.



happydolphin said:

archbrix said:

Incidentally, is it just me or does anyone else find it strange that it's almost always GamesIndustry.biz where these reports of WiiU's "underpowered" hardware emanate from?

@archie. Never noticed that! Propaganda? Yeah!

Yeah, it certainly seems that way.  For instance, they were the ones who received the reports back in April from "anonymous devs" who claimed that WiiU was not as powerful as the PS360, which is fine, however they conveniently failed to mention the opinions to the contrary from many identified sources (such as Gearbox)... or even the "on par" rumors, such as Vigil's opinion.

Now, they at least seem to be acknowledging that it's on par with current gen, but like I said, if games in a year or so after WiiU's launch excel visually beyond the launch titles the way Gears and Uncharted did for their respective systems, we could very well see WiiU stretch its graphical legs beyond what the HD twins are capable of.

Only time will tell, though.



archbrix said:

Yeah, it certainly seems that way.  For instance, they were the ones who received the reports back in April from "anonymous devs" who claimed that WiiU was not as powerful as the PS360, which is fine, however they conveniently failed to mention the opinions to the contrary from many identified sources (such as Gearbox)... or even the "on par" rumors, such as Vigil's opinion.

Now, they at least seem to be acknowledging that it's on par with current gen, but like I said, if games in a year or so after WiiU's launch excel visually beyond the launch titles the way Gears and Uncharted did for their respective systems, we could very well see WiiU stretch its graphical legs beyond what the HD twins are capable of.

Only time will tell, though.

You'll always see the negative comments coming from the same people on forums. It's the same with media articles. If a place is always spewing negativism on a topic, in the end it's cause they're biased. We don't need time to figure that one out.

And even if it isn't malvolent, it's purely lazy on their part to just show one side of the coin. My mind is made up, I'm done giving the benefit of the doubt.

All you haters, beware. happyD is on the prowl.



I'll be honest, I did not see anything on the Wii U that a 360 can't handle. But that is about to change soon. The point is the graphical leap is not as big as I thought it would be. The question is if the tablet-controller will be enough to sell the console itself like the Motion-controller did with the Wii.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...