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Ok seriously, making threads to piss people off just for points is getting old and stupid.
Thats all this garbage is. "Jesus Fanboys"...are you fucking serious?



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Ok seriously, making threads to piss people off just for points is getting old and stupid.
Thats all this garbage is. "Jesus Fanboys"...are you fucking serious?

Do you seriously think I do posts in order to just tick people off?   This post is in a general section, about issues I have, connected with other threads on here, where people have gone off and blasted Christianity, Christians and so on.  My post is one similar, but venting in a different area, looking at one would expect from the Christian religion, and what someone who is actually plugged in is.  It fits here, and has context.

I have no scoreboard at all here.  And who the heck am I going to support?  Maybe I couldn't of said "Fanboys".  Would you prefer i go with "those who are fans of Jesus and love him, but aren't really followers"?  

Go with this, if you prefer:



ArnoldRimmer said:

If people admire Jesus, they consider him a kind of role model, they want to be more like him and try to act more according to his moral teachings. And that already implies that they don't always do.

So don't expect people to be saints just because they're religious. They are humans just like you and me, most religious people are morally hardly any better or different than others, but at least many of them actually try to be "better people", and that's something I have respect for.

richardhutnik, do yourself AND the guy who borrowed your video game a favour and tell him honestly how you feel about his behaviour. I see a good chance he'll think about it and behave better in the future, which would be a win-win situation. Maybe he isn't even really aware what a bad impression some of his bad habits make?

And if you're afraid of looking like a woman/gay talking about your feelings or he is too unregenerate, play a funny little mental trick on him: Next time you see him, put on a very serious face and say something like:
"Hey, really glad to see you! I guess you know that I usually don't care much about Jesus, god and all that stuff, but something strange happened to me: Last night in my dream Jesus came to me and wanted to borrow video game XY, but I had to tell him that it's not possible because you have it. He asked me when you would return it, but I just couldn't tell him, at which point Jesus got quite upset. I'm quite confused, I don't know what to make of this. What do YOU think?"

If you can tell this credible, it should make him think and have an effect on him. He'll either get worried that Jesus might now be angry at him for not returning the game on time, or he should at least realize how pissed you are.

I love this idea :) You should so do it richardhutnik. Be the better man, you don't need to be christian to show the good example, come on. It's like expecting a kid not to crap in his pants. If you're the more mature one, set the right example.

And please play the prank it'll be ballin' :D

People who love Jesus sometimes think of him as a giant teddy bear. They are so full of holes and problems that he is their plush doll. Sure it's unhealthy, but you can't change how some poeple make choices in their lives. Jesus commanded "Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". I think some of us, loving Jesus so much, forget what his expectations of us are, that he wants us to stop sucking our thumbs. But that's how your friend is, show him better. And don't take life so seriously, it's only a piece of plastic after all.



happydolphin said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

If people admire Jesus, they consider him a kind of role model, they want to be more like him and try to act more according to his moral teachings. And that already implies that they don't always do.

So don't expect people to be saints just because they're religious. They are humans just like you and me, most religious people are morally hardly any better or different than others, but at least many of them actually try to be "better people", and that's something I have respect for.

richardhutnik, do yourself AND the guy who borrowed your video game a favour and tell him honestly how you feel about his behaviour. I see a good chance he'll think about it and behave better in the future, which would be a win-win situation. Maybe he isn't even really aware what a bad impression some of his bad habits make?

And if you're afraid of looking like a woman/gay talking about your feelings or he is too unregenerate, play a funny little mental trick on him: Next time you see him, put on a very serious face and say something like:
"Hey, really glad to see you! I guess you know that I usually don't care much about Jesus, god and all that stuff, but something strange happened to me: Last night in my dream Jesus came to me and wanted to borrow video game XY, but I had to tell him that it's not possible because you have it. He asked me when you would return it, but I just couldn't tell him, at which point Jesus got quite upset. I'm quite confused, I don't know what to make of this. What do YOU think?"

If you can tell this credible, it should make him think and have an effect on him. He'll either get worried that Jesus might now be angry at him for not returning the game on time, or he should at least realize how pissed you are.

I love this idea :) You should so do it richardhutnik. Be the better man, you don't need to be christian to show the good example, come on. It's like expecting a kid not to crap in his pants. If you're the more mature one, set the right example.

And please play the prank it'll be ballin' :D

People who love Jesus sometimes think of him as a giant teddy bear. They are so full of holes and problems that he is their plush doll. Sure it's unhealthy, but you can't change how some poeple make choices in their lives. Jesus commanded "Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". I think some of us, loving Jesus so much, forget what his expectations of us are, that he wants us to stop sucking our thumbs. But that's how your friend is, show him better. And don't take life so seriously, it's only a piece of plastic after all.

I am reminded of a time when I asked someone what a persona relationship with Jesus was like, and they did compare Jesus to a teddy bear.  That strikes me of idolotry personally.  It isn't anything like the movie Ted, to any degree.

Also, pranking like that though, isn't my thing.  With me, I am having some semblance of an attempt to actually be a disciple of Jesus, and that would be of bearing false witness.  There may be something like that which would fit.  The reality is that it is a boardgame, one of my favorites, and I want to have it to play with others.  What I can actually do is remind him that I was unable to play it, because he borrowed it.  So, I can't do it with others.  As of now, I will sort it out, and he can have the game as a permanent reminded of how much he has been a jerk about things.  My fault for allowing it to go on that long.



richardhutnik said:

I am reminded of a time when I asked someone what a persona relationship with Jesus was like, and they did compare Jesus to a teddy bear.  That strikes me of idolotry personally.  It isn't anything like the movie Ted, to any degree.

It's what it is though. The vibe I get is you're too quick to point the finger rather than looking at others as humans with personal flaws. We all have them.



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happydolphin said:
richardhutnik said:

I am reminded of a time when I asked someone what a persona relationship with Jesus was like, and they did compare Jesus to a teddy bear.  That strikes me of idolotry personally.  It isn't anything like the movie Ted, to any degree.

It's what it is though. The vibe I get is you're too quick to point the finger rather than looking at others as humans with personal flaws. We all have them.

Some areas aren't just about people being human, because there is more, far more, at stake.  When God is brought in via name, etc... then there ends up being more involved.  If I want to be sincere and accurate, it become part of it to look beyond humans and their personal flaws.  



richardhutnik said:

Some areas aren't just about people being human, because there is more, far more, at stake.  When God is brought in via name, etc... then there ends up being more involved.  If I want to be sincere and accurate, it become part of it to look beyond humans and their personal flaws.  

No it doesn't. That's called prejudice my friend, and it's wrong. You shouldn't judge a person on their religion.

If a person strives to be like Christ, it doesn't make them Christ. Yes God holds them up to a higher standard, because he's their coach, but the audience has no right to complain when the player falls short. If he's not good enough, let him play in a lower league. Plus he's your friend, stop judging him.

If he judged you before, he was wrong. Don't let it lead you into making the same mistake. I know it's hard, but break the cycle before you rip each others' heads off.



happydolphin said:
richardhutnik said:

Some areas aren't just about people being human, because there is more, far more, at stake.  When God is brought in via name, etc... then there ends up being more involved.  If I want to be sincere and accurate, it become part of it to look beyond humans and their personal flaws.  

No it doesn't. That's called prejudice my friend, and it's wrong. You shouldn't judge a person on their religion.

If a person strives to be like Christ, it doesn't make them Christ. Yes God holds them up to a higher standard, because he's their coach, but the audience has no right to complain when the player falls short. If he's not good enough, let him play in a lower league. Plus he's your friend, stop judging him.

If he judged you before, he was wrong. Don't let it lead you into making the same mistake. I know it's hard, but break the cycle before you rip each others' heads off.

I am ripping off no one's head.  In the personal case, I just count the game as lost, let him try to contact me one day, if that, and not lend out thing any longer to him.  If he wants to show signs of anything but a user, that is fine.  It is his job to initiate, not mine.  I tried calling day after day asking for a response and didn't get any.  And then got complaints about the daily calling.  So I back off now.  I don't call any longer and count what it was is loss.  I don't demand repayment, forgive the debt, and don't ask him to repay.  I end up being more mindful and wiser.

Beyond this, it still doesn't even address the whole fusing of a form of Jesus in politics with individuals who insist on believing Rand and Jesus are compatible.  Nor does it even begin to deal with those who beat the drums of hate over this group or that, in the name of Jesus.  And it certainly doesn't dismiss the numbers of people who turn away from Christ, because of the said followers.  And this doesn't even get into the stuff I have personally seen at all.  You can see in another thread on here, where my personal issues lie with how some people do respond, people who are mean mainly.

For me, forgiveness is not demanding something from someone who wrong you, to make amends.  It is not a free ticket for the person to turn me into a matt to run over and exploit and abuse, or anyone else for that matter.  I also have to deal with the reality of a harsh world, and a markeplace that demands I produce or I go without.  I personally don't think it is wrong to have high standards with those I would trust.



richardhutnik said:

I am ripping off no one's head.  In the personal case, I just count the game as lost, let him try to contact me one day, if that, and not lend out thing any longer to him.  If he wants to show signs of anything but a user, that is fine.  It is his job to initiate, not mine.  I tried calling day after day asking for a response and didn't get any.  And then got complaints about the daily calling.  So I back off now.  I don't call any longer and count what it was is loss.  I don't demand repayment, forgive the debt, and don't ask him to repay.  I end up being more mindful and wiser.

k, but you do realize this has nothing to do with Jesus though.

Beyond this, it still doesn't even address the whole fusing of a form of Jesus in politics with individuals who insist on believing Rand and Jesus are compatible.  Nor does it even begin to deal with those who beat the drums of hate over this group or that, in the name of Jesus.  And it certainly doesn't dismiss the numbers of people who turn away from Christ, because of the said followers.  And this doesn't even get into the stuff I have personally seen at all.  You can see in another thread on here, where my personal issues lie with how some people do respond, people who are mean mainly.

You disagree with his political views I gather. That's not who he is, don't descriminate him on his political views. If he's your friend, then that's what he's like. If you don't like that, then find another friend. Simple really.

For me, forgiveness is not demanding something from someone who wrong you, to make amends.  It is not a free ticket for the person to turn me into a matt to run over and exploit and abuse, or anyone else for that matter.

It is and it isn't. It goes as far as you're willing to give. If you're sick of being a pushover, then your forgiveness can only go so far (and I've been there, I know how you feel). If you have lots of love to give, then your forgiveness will extend further. "Those who are loved little love little" it's a fact, and it includes loving oneself. In other words, if you're in a place in your life where you feel hated (even by yourself), you will have little forgiveness to give. But if you're in a place in your life where you have loving relationships, you will be able to more easily be the better man and even be a matt, because you wouldn't even care. It's what I've experienced personally, just sharing. And am I there right now? A little, a little not. Most important is, you're being honest about it with yourself, and that my friend goes a long way.

 I also have to deal with the reality of a harsh world, and a markeplace that demands I produce or I go without.  I personally don't think it is wrong to have high standards with those I would trust.

A demanding friend is no good. But, to have standards without demanding them I think is healthy. Once you start demanding, it might be time to look for a new friend or introspect, maybe your expectations are too high.



A good rule for life no matter who you are dealing with. Only loan someone something that won't ruin your friendship if they never pay it back. For example, if someone you loan a game/money/etc doesn't return it, will it ruin your friendship/relationship? If it will don't loan it. People will get over it if you don't loan/give them stuff. If they don't, then tough. I will never loan more money to a friend than, if I don't get it back, will ruin the friendship.

Plus remember good things come to those who give. Many times it is not right away, or in the way we expect/want, but it is always good to be giving.